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without upsetting people ..........surely if you move from one land where yoyur customs are the norm you will need to adjust into th enew society. the law from what i have heard and read about in france that they want to introduce is not just aimed at muslims for they want toban all religious wares from schools etc. material things do not make you religious.
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forum: There are I believea number of issues at play , however starting with Ladyday's input..whilst i understand where her perspective comes from, I strongly disagree..in the first instancepersonally I can think of no place that the European has been where they have assimulated into the host country..We only have toexamine the words Ex patriot community and observe its manifestation in the Carribean, in spain and Hong kong etc etc to see exactly what this means to the European.. So for meI do not followthe arguement that if I was either born here or came to live in Europe that it wouldnaturally follows that i should give up my identity and culture in favour of one imposed on me without choice, sorry i don't see that argument at all..
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It seems to me that what this is about is CONTROL, it is not about helping people to assimulate or creating a balanced or meritorial society..in fact i would argue that if this were to be made law that it would create an unbalanced society.. We know this because that is why the West said they Invaded Afghanistan, because the Taliban controlled the freedom of women (remember this) to express themselves, look what happened there!!
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It is clear to me that in what is essentially a Christian country there is no wayFrance are going to enforced or be allowed to enforce a crack down on Jewishness & Christian forms ofexpression to people really imagine that the Christians or Jews in America would sit still for such and outrage? Think again it won't happen.. I believe their (jews/Christian)inclusion in this measure by France is actually asmokescreen to cover up their thinly veiled assault on Muslim expression of religion.. On this point it seems only Mafdet, Karen & Hesaidappear to beaware of the implication.
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Someone wrotesomething to the effect of 'if we went to an Arab country would we be allowed to express ourselves there', the answer to this question is a resounding no, weprobably wouldn't. However that is NOT the point!!!The point as I already made clear in theThird paragraph is about control. This edict from France is dangerous presidence that if passed won't stop at religion nor will it stop within the confinesof religious expression, people really ought to wake up to the dangers here..first the repeal of the laws check & balances, then the introduction of ID cards, More powers to the security forces and now Controls on personal expression...is it me or does there seem to be a pattern here..
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How soon will it be before they outlaw Rap music as inciting crime, or Ragga for inciting homophobia..Already certain types of clothing are being frown upon or banned in certain shopping areas what next?
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I may not be fan of these types of music or the extreme forms of expression linked to the Muslim reglion.. However if we let France get away with such nastiness how long do people think it will be before they import these values into this and every other western country..
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We have already spoken on this and other forums about the effects of 9/11 and it seems to me one of the worst aspects of this event iswhat I have called the creeping fascism that is spreading Globally like a cancer.. The age of commonsense and diplomacy appears to be dead..long live the age of bruteforce, cohesion and oppression..
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[quote][quote]We have people (non white people) locked up in Prisons in this country, America and Cuba without charge and effectively held in communicado, We have examples of anyone speaking out against the war or against Pres Bush, being subjected to MacCarthite types of oppression (think Dixy Chicks, think ex CIa agaent whose cover was blown by Administration.) Now we have our children being effectively being told that at an impressionable age that Islam (which btw is the biggest and most practised religion globally,) is not good or appropriate forms of expressions and this is reinforced by thestate...What is wrong with this picture i wonder?blkfingerwag