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20-03-04, 03:17 AM
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim Salaam, All. Reply to Justavoice: >>
@OriginalBM >>
Lets look at some differences between the Prophet Mohammed and Prophets of the bible.
Mohammed was not born of the promised line of God. <<
If this is so, then why was He given AL-Qur'aan, the final revelation; from the Mother Of The Book? [ 13:38-39; 43:04]. The Holy Qur'aan; recapitulates, guides and admonishes. Additionally, Prophet Isa [Jesus, PBUH] is remembered as mentioning Him, in Qur'aan 61:6 as "Ahmad " [or Muhammad] The Praised One. Certainly, you are aware that Muhammad PBUH, was not the only Prophet, to have His, mission treated as false. See also Holy Qur'aan, 22:42-44.
Let us also, look at Matthew 21:42-44. Jesus saith unto them; Did you never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing and it is marvelous in our eyes? (43) Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
It is not who is with Allaah, The Almighty, but who Allaah, The High Exalted, is with.
>>Another thing common to the prophets of Israel. All would have seen or been involved with sacrfice. Sacrifices of Bullocks and turtle doves etc... <<
Yes, I know, some mention of it is recorded here: see 2:67-71.
>>Maybe you can tell me OriginalBM, do muslims carry out sacrifices of any kind. If they do, can you tell me why ?<<
Yes. Muslims, perform sacrifices for various reasons. It will be easier to read them here, they are not very long: see 2:196; 4:66-68; 5:1-3, 22-35; 6:161-163; 22:26-36; 37:83-107; 108:1-3]. I am reading from the Abdullah Yusuf Ali, translation of The Holy Qur'aan.
>>If they don't, tell me, how is it that the prophets that came before Jesus knew of the sacrifices, and passovers and Sabbath's that they had to keep, but then this Mohammed comes from a different line observing none of these ?. <<
As I'd mentioned above there are sacrifices, in Islam. And according to 22:37, of AL-Qur;aan, it is not their[sacrificed] blood / meat that reaches Allaah, The Most Compassionate, it is Your "Piety", faithfulness, obedience to your duty to THE GOD, that reaches HIM.
But the sabbath was made strict for those who disagreed about it; see 16:124 of AL-Qur'aan. See also, 2:65;4:47,154;7:163; concerning the sabbath.
>>Do you believe in atonement ? <<
Well, I had to break down the syllables, in atonement so as to make it clear; ["at-one"-inmind, harmony, agreement, "ment"- state / condition / resulting ], or, to be God-like within THE GOD, Allaah, The Almighty, The beneficent. This takes place with the resurrection [raising from (among) the dead (ones)] out of "the death world", as it is known, mystically.
>>You said: Being killed or crucified, would have served no intelligent purpose. Yes, the faithless wanted Him killed, but, this was not THE GOD'S, Will.
If you understand the sacrifices that the children of Israel had to observe, then you will understand that it was necessary for Jesus to be crucified. <<
According to 22:37, of AL-Qur'aan, it is not their [sacrificed] blood / meat that reaches Allaah, The Most Compassionate, it is Your piety, faithfulness, obedience to your duty to THE GOD, that reaches HIM. Please explain how the crucifixion or killing of The Prophet Isa PBUH, could make the children of Israel "Pious". Not to forget, that to this day, they have yet to accept The Messiah, Isa PBUH. [ Are the people sinless? I would say that someone could / would have died in vain.]
>>John the baptist did not call him the LAMB OF GOD for nothing. Jesus was to be the ultimate sacrificial lamb. He did what the slaughtering of generations of lambs and bullocks could not do for man one time. <<
And what would that be? The Holy Qur'aan, 39:7, states that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. [see also; 6:164; 17:15; and 53:38, regarding the same subject]
The facts are clear: He did no violence. He was Pure of nature (Sealed-up: John 6:27) Clean; Ephesians 5:5,6. Name, on his vesture & thigh; Revelation Of John 19:16 [*Genesis 24:2]. These are the attainments of a Conquerer, Master of life [3:139 of AL-Qur'aan]; someone about to be resurrected [raised from (among) the dead (ones)]: in 'the death world', [mystically speaking]. Salaam. OriginalBM http://www.al-islam.org/quran/
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