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Post imported post - 12-04-04, 06:59 PM

@a_mere_man...

[a_mere_man] "All my evidence is validated in the word. You should know that seeing that you use it so much....... "Every single source and every statement that I make comes out of the Word Of God...The bible"......... If the man has not accepted Christ,inevitably his fate is Hell"

1. i have answered all your points. you doubted the authenticity of the quran, i showed it was authentic. you said your doubt was based on your studies but you did not even know when the quran was revealed as you stated it was 64ad, when in fact it was 611ad. you also said jesus is god, i showed you how your own book does not say this. you also stated that all christians believe the same thing, however, i showed you this is not true as some sects of original christians whichsome are still practising today have different views regarding jesus, and many did not even call themselves christians. therefore i will not repeat these points as they are above and are clear and if you wish to ignore themthen that is your perogerative.

2. however i willsay that i use your own book to prove you wrong to show you that your own book is telling you that jesus is not god, so how can you say he is. just as i would debate english law with english law, i would not argue against it and expect to win a case in court with the law of mexico. just as bible experts study the bible and do not say it is the "Word of God", and even encyclopedias will tell you it is written by scholars long after the deaths of moses and jesus, and that the books of mathew, mark, luke and john were not written by them which is why they are called "the gospel according to mathew, mark, etc" and not "the gospel BY mathew, mark, etc. Also note there is no "gospal by jesus christ", because he did not write one, if he did then that would have been the word of god as it would say what god wanted man to know.

3. on your point of the validity of the "word of god" i ask you, what is the word of god. is the bible the word of god, and if you say it is, i say to you did god write it and how do you know that. god did not write the bible, so how is it the word of god. god gate moses the commandments, but the original forms of these were lost long ago. moses did not write the books of the old testament, just as jesus did not write the books of the new testament, in fact matheww, mark, luke and john did not write them either. the bible was put together by scholars and there is nothing to say that god spoke to them, so how is this the word of god, they did not meet god, how do they know this is his word, and how do you know this is his word. even bible experts today do not say the bible is the word of god, they say it is merely a library of books that can not be authenticated, which is why there have been many different bibles which include differing sets of books.

4. so i ask you, if the bible does not say its the word of god, experts do not say its the word of god, it can clearly be proven not to be the word of god, it was written by men who did not recieve a revelation from god... then how can you possibly tell me it is the "word of God" and tell me your points are validated by god.

5. Also i suggest you read EZEKIEL 23, and then tell me if that is the word of god. And tell me would god do that to those two "sinful sisters".

6. Also you seem to belive that man will go to hell if they do not accept jesus is god and be baptised in his name and recieve eternal salvation. for my first point on this i tell you again, jesus is not god and the bible does not say he is, and you have still not shown me where it says "my name is jesus and i am almighty god". my second point is that if your basis of salvation that man will go to hell if they do not accept jesus is based on what he said after the ascension, then i remind you that the ascension that refers to salvation in the gospal according to mark 16:9-20, is not included in many bibles as it was not in any early manuscripts or bibles and was therefore MADE UP many years later. Also, if jesus is god and god is his father as you say but cannot prove, why does it not say this in "the geneology of jesus" [mathew1:1-16]

7. so before you say any more, read your bible, research its history, and get your facts right.
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