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17-04-04, 09:33 PM
@saint..... if you think the bible is the word.... then why do you interpret the text and pick and chose verses as you feel, instead of as it is stated...... then you laugh at what is written in your own religious book.........anyhow that is very christion like of you.
@just_a_voice......... you argue "context".... however god and jesus are still different and therefore not the same and the bible specifically shows this.
on the salvation points the bible also offers an opposing view:
Before Jesus spoke these words, he said; "In my Father's house are many mansions (dwelling places); if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a mansion (a dwelling place) for you." (John 14:2). The above explicit statement confirms that Jesus was going to prepare "a" mansion and not "all" the mansions in "my Father's house". Obviously, the prophets that came before him and the one to come after, were to prepare the other mansions for their respective followers. The prophet that came after Jesus had evidently shown the current "way" to a modern mansion in the kingdom of heaven.
Besides; the verse clearly states; Jesus was the "WAY" to a mansion. It is a folly to believe that Jesus (or any prophet) was the "DESTINATION".
[*]Jesus said; "I am the door" to find the pasture. (Jn.10:9). [*]A sheep that walks through the "door" will find the pasture. [*]A sheep that circles around the "door" will never find the pasture.
One who crosses over the "way" will reach the mansion. Anyone that stops on the "way" and believes the "way" to be the end of his/her journey, will be out in the open without any shelter and a roof.
Jesus said; "Not every one that says to me; `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father, who is in heaven." (Mt.7:21).
ALSO ON THE WORD POINT:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
really means....
In the beginning was the `spoken word, command', and the `spoken word, command' was with God, and the `spoken word, command' was Divine.
because.........
this LITERAL translation is not only logical but it coincides perfectly with the prologue of the Book of Genesis. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." "And the God said, Let there be light; and there was light." And also.... more logically.. how can the word (jesus) BE god and be WITH god at the same time, it would have to be one or the other.
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