@saint....you obviously cant read properly and understand what is written unless the sentance consists of very basic text...

if you had read my post you would see that i referred to the supposed writer of the book (john), and does not say the baptist wrote anything even though it refers to him, so nice try but no cigar.

it is a common fact that john and john the baptist are two different people, but if i did not make this clear then i thank you for pointing it out, however that factor was not the point of my arguement so i wonder why you have focused on thismere vaguenessbut have ignored everything else that was actually in direct response to your earlier post which i found much discrepancy with.

as you seem to have done this to discredit my words then why dont you apply that to the bible itself where you will find much to discredit in terms of contradiction and unauthenticity....but i put it to you that you will not as you are a lost sheep with blind faith which is why you address no other points made and instead make statements that are;

1) PRESUMPTUOUS: even though those christians and their churches will not agree

(saint) "some called themself christians but they don't believe in the Holy spirit, I don't agree that they are christian"

2) CONTRADITORY: so you say he submits to another, talkes to another, but didnt have to, you say he was faking it to teach the people,even though jesus said he submitted to and done the will of his father, sounds like he had to, to me, or are you calling him a liar.

(saint) "Jesus came to serve, he humbled himself and he showed the Way to the Father, summiting Himself to the Will of the Father. This why he often prayed and talked to God, it is what he wants us to Do, not that he had to do that, but he had to show us the way it is done"

3) INCOMPREHENSIBLE: you clearly have a poor understanding as you can argue no points throughout all your posts whereas others can, but you state one will understand by reading and revelation of the sprit... which is it, cos if its the latter then it will not matter how much bible studies you do according to you, without the spirits intevention, even though most people will learn by studying, researchand mental ability alone, without meditation or revelation.

(saint) "in order to understand the Bible properly, one has to read it and meditate on it, ask the Holy spirit to reveal the things of Jesus. One has to spend time doing bible studies, you may not understand some things until you read the previous verse, chapter or book etc."