@ chinkkie: listen you wrote In the following verse is another example of this phenomena in the bible. this is the word of john, but clearly john was not there in the beginning, and it can not be proven that john wrote this anyhow, so how can john be saying this. it does not even say that jesus or god told john this as he merely was sent to testify that there was a light, and that light was to come into the world which would therefore be a future event, and this gives him no authority according to the bible to say what happened in the beginning which would be a past event, or that he was told what happened in the beginning.

"in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god. He was with god in the beginning" (john, 1)


Reading that above, yousaid he was merely sent to testify that there was alight, yes that is John the Baptist. But you then went on to say he wasn't there in the beginning, and how could he writeor say"In the beginning................." ? That was written by John the Disciple, to me it seems you are confused.

Back to the points you raised, I told ya.............. you seem to be enjoying this debate by saying what you don't know, I have used vivid examples to describe my points, but you would not listen. That is why I don't want to debate with you again, you said i didn't take your points on, I did earlier, but you coming with different stuffs that you don't understand each time.

1) PRESUMPTUOUS: even though those christians and their churches will not agree

It doesn't matter what you call it, if anyone does not believe in the Holy Spirit and they called themselves christians, they are JOKERS. That is the fact, it is not arrogance.

2) CONTRADITORY: so you say he submits to another, talkes to another, but didnt have to, you say he was faking it to teach the people,even though jesus said he submitted to and done the will of his father, sounds like he had to, to me, or are you calling him a liar.


Stop putting words in my mouth, I never called Him a liar, Christ lived an examplary live, yes He didn't have to pray before Healing people, but he Did that so that we may also do the same. He said for " I know You always Hear me" . Phil2:6 says " Who being in the very nature God, did not consider equality with God .... something to be grasped, but made Himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness". That is all humility. You need to understand what the Bible says before Jumping up and down.

3 INCOMPREHENSIBLE: you clearly have a poor understanding as you can argue no points throughout all your posts whereas others can, but you state one will understand by reading and revelation of the sprit... which is it, cos if its the latter then it will not matter how much bible studies you do according to you, without the spirits intevention, even though most people will learn by studying, researchand mental ability alone, without meditation or revelation

Thanks you for your comments, whatever you call it, I understand what I am saying. I don't know who have poor understanding, you saw the conjunction "and" and you are still asking me which one. Ofcourse it has to be both. If you read the bible properly then you will see where it says read the word and meditate on it, also it says Read it and ask the Helper( the Holy Spirit) to reveal the things of God to you. As you read the Bible with the wrong motive, you cannot see this netiher can you understand what you are reading.

The Question I have to ask myself now or even ask you is why should I continue this debate with you?