@saint..... yes the baptist was sent, but john supposedly wrote about it in the book of john. john (the writer) was not there to witness this or the transformation of the word so how can he authentically write it, the baptist was not there in the beginning either, therefore none of them could know what happened in the beginning, so it would be impossible for the writer to write in the way it is written and be truthful as neither the writer or baptist were there in the beginning so how can they write about it as if they were.

that was my point, but as i said you focused on the vagueness not the point, and however you interpret it the point is still the same...

also... you constantly try to condemn or judge the knowlege of others when cleary your own knowledge of the bible and general rationality is of a sub-level. you call other christians "jokers" and you think that bible understanding is only possible through the holy spirit and meditating. however, this is an aid not a requirement. youignore that many understand the bible and other subjects at a very high level without the spirits intevention or meditation, but i do think that you most definatly are meditating too much and awaiting revelation and not reading and reasoning enough or appropriatly in the meantime as your posts clearly show.

i question your understanding and reasoning as i have from you original posts. as i have said, you merely try to point out defects or state shoddy incoherant points and can answer no points made or put to you. you have even done this to Jane-Doe in your most recent point but have ignored the point she previously directed towards you that questioned your earlier post.

you also seem to bactrack on your words, and this is really the sign of a hypocrite. it was you that said that jesus submitted to gods will but did not have to. i pointed out to you that this is untrue because you would have to agree that jesus was sent and was required to submit to his gods will, but you now say that i put words in your mouth, and that jesus only prayed to show us how to do it, even though you would agree that this was only part of it as jesus also done gods will and prayed to god for help and guidance in order to do his work.

"by MYSELF i can do NOTHING.... for i seek not to please myself but HIM who SENT me" [john 5: 30]

"for theFATHER loves the son and SHOWS him all he does" [john 5: 20}

"the world must learn that i love the father andI DO EXACTLYwhat my father hasCOMMANDED me" [john 14:31]


jesus said, "I tell youthe truth, theSON can doNOTHING by HIMSELF" [john 5: 19]

"i am the true vine, and my father is the gardener.HE CUTS OFFevery branch in me that bears no fruit. while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful"{john 15:1-2]

"i will give you all their authority and splendour, for it has been GIVEN to me" [luke 4:5]