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Justavoice · (#83 (**permalink**))

@Jane Doe

I don't believe in three Gods or I wouldn't/couldn't be calling myself a Christian. I do see your point tho, & I think you just misinterpreted what I was saying. What I am saying is Jesus is not a God, he is the son of.

Do forgive me if I have misinterpreted you, I know that it is common amongst types of christians that refer to Jesus as one of the persons of the Godhead. And it is this idea that I am trying to distance myself from in regards to the knowledge of Jesus Christ.

He is not in my understanding a person in the Godhead but one of the manifestations of the Godhead. I know also that you at know time ever did say that God was three persons, but I know this to be a common teaching amongst churches that I believe is wrong, and I myself have grown as a christian starting out believing this way, but God as taught me otherwise through the Holy Ghost.

Your argument that Jesus is the Son of God, yes you are right, but a very old woman I use to reason with, an evangelist, use to sit me down and teach me, saying this must be understood in context.

Let me give you an exert from a book, by a oness Pentecostal teacher, of which, that is the movement that I come from.

No man is a father until he has an offspring, be it a son or a daughter. So if I can locate the Father in the Old Testament it will prove that He must have had a Son in the Old Testament. The Old Testament does refer to Jehovah as the Father. But in what connection? Was it relative to Christ? Seldom ! Jehovah is mentioned as the Father in Jeremiah 31:9. If you read it carefully He is the Father of the Israel, not the Father of the Son. Jehovah was the national Father of the Israelite people in the Old Testament. He is spoken of as the Father, not relative to Christ but rather relative to Israel. In Malachi 2:10 He is also called the Father in a creative sense: ' Have we not all one father' hath not one God created us?' In that sense God was a Father in the Old Testament- He was the Father of all His created human beings.

"There is only one plain reference in the Old Testament where God is called a Father relative to the Son. That is Isaiah 9.6: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Councellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace,' This again is a prophecy. It is a prophecy of the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ. Here Isaiah says Jesus is the Father. Does not this deal a deathblow to the theory that the Son is a person eternally distinct from the Father?".

Jane also consider what Saint as also said and the question he posed regarding Emmanuel or Immanuel ?.

Yes Jesus is the Son of God, but this serves to put things in its rightful context, Son is an office of God whereby he brings Salvation to man.. This is the promise from the garden of Eden that the seed of the woman would bruise the serpents head, but remember this also, a woman does not normally have seed but an egg to which the seed germinates. However scripture is careful to show us that the seed of the woman would bruise the serpents head.

Note that this word "seed" carries right through the bible and is speaking of one person "The messiah".

God is not trying to confuse us by using the term Son, but like I said earlier in the example of water and ice, when water changes form to ice, we call it ice, but really we know what it really is (water). So God changed form from Spirit to Man and thus from Almighty to Mighty God. Not to confuse but to keep things in context.

For instance God the Spirit cannot die, but the Son of God, God in flesh, wellhe now can die and shed his blood for many. So in context you are right Jesus is the Son of God, but you must understand what you mean when saying this.

God said to Job, "My own right arm wrought Salvation", I believe Isaiah wote "Salvations belongs only to the Lord".

So we know from Old Testament that God himself would be the one to bring Salvation to man and no one else.