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Post imported post - 06-05-04, 11:39 PM

"Here Isaiah says Jesus is the Father. Does not this deal a deathblow to the theory that the Son is a person eternally distinct from the Father?".


......... is there not a difference between saying he will be called "mighty god", and, he IS mighty god.

Is issaiah not prophesising that MAN will call this child "mighty god", "wonduful counsellor", etc, which has a different connotation or meaning than if it said that that god or the angels would call this child mighty god. Isaiah was right, as christians do call him god, so is this not what the prophecy refers too and does not actually confirm association of any divine mighty power.

...on the water thing... and yes ive made a comment on this before..... since a single glass of water cannot be distinctly water, liquid and gas at the same time, is it a suitable comparison to the belief that god is son, father and spirit at the same time.

for the glass of water to be solid, liquid and gas at the same time it must first be splitor seperated into 3 separate glasses first and would no longer be a whole. then one is steamed, one is frozen and one is left as water. alternatively todo this as a whole, one would have to freeze it, thaw it out, steam it, allow the steam to condensate, therefore the three processes could not happen simultaneously and the three forms could not exist simultaneously.

however, with the trinity,the idea is that the 3 forces of "god" are not separated from the whole, while existing simultaneously.

therefore the twoideas do not compare and the comparison is flawed or mismatched, if fact nothing can be compared to the idea of the trinity inits true essence which is why it cannot be properly explained.
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