|
|
|
Villager Senior
|
|
Posts: 2,798
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Howard County, , USA
|
|
|
imported post -
27-01-05, 05:58 PM
COLTRANE wrote:
Quote:
@Parris
capitalism produces wars, but it can't be said that war in general was a product of capitalism specifically. War is a product of class society, not just capitalism. Wars ie. armed conflicts between considerably organised bodies of men have occurred constantly throughout the history of class society (slavery, feudalism, capitalism).
US war against Iraq is an example of one type of war common in the era of imperialism; neo-colonialist war. Redivision of markets, exportation of capital to raw material resources.
The politics of US government is not primarily a matter of lobbying, though that also has its part. USA is a highly developed society of state monopoly capitalism. Serving finance capital (serving the rest of bourgeoisie is secondary, which makes libertarian "anti-state" sentiments attractive to the middle-capitalist and the petty bourgeois) is the very function of US government (and the governments of all state monopoly capitalist societies, including Finland).
As imperialism is the main source of modern wars, liquidation of imperialism is the top prerequisite for world peace.
|
Quote:
|
COLTRAN PEACE BRUTHA!!! MAN I'M LOVING THIS CONVO!!!!! THIS IS WHAT I CAME HERE FOR....*runs around room screaming* arrrggghhh!!! *bites brick wall*
|
Quote:
|
*sorry.....so used to fighting in here, a healthy topic is exciting to me.
|
Quote:
|
I think that we've come to a point of word play.
|
Quote:
|
With capitalism being a relatively new concept (in the span of history) and war having been before Capitalism...it is too simple to say that Capitalism is the cause of war. To keep things relovant that's like saying "Guns are the reason people kill each other"…when people were killing each other before guns.
|
Quote:
|
While Capitalism is by far not a perfect system, it is the most stable. Communism in THEROY works great...but in practice is falls short.
|
Quote:
|
While I agree with you on the characterization of America capitalism, we need only look at other countries to see the opposite choices.
|
Quote:
|
You mentioned the radicle muslims. I think they truly are angry…and they have a right to be. Saudi for example…the ruling class opresses its own people, but keeps them looking outward at the West for the reasons why. As long as Saudia Arabians are pizzed at Americans….they won't notice they are being robbed blind by their own leaders. As is my opinion with most (all) poor Muslim countires. Do you think the people of poor countries would fair better under a more capitalist society. I do, I think if true capitalism along with a fundamental change in leadership took place in Nigeria...it would but one of the most powerful (economically and militarily speaking) countries today.....alas...just a dream.
|
Quote:
|
I do think that the use of Imperialism was false. In another threat the topic was black-on-black and question the use of the term when it is misleading.
|
Quote:
|
I questions your use in the same manor, as it is misleading.
|
Quote:
|
While the US and other powerful countries play a hand in the internal politics of other countries….(its been done of centuries, nothing new)….the US does not OWN these countries.
|
Quote:
|
When you talk of Empires you would speak of (some would say Nubia) Egypt, Rome, the ZuluEmpire (that should spark debate), China (lol @ China never invaded for economic gains) France, Great Britain and the USSR. Influence does not equate to ownership, and ownershipcreates an Empire.
|
Quote:
|
CARRY ON BRUTHA!! DAMN GOOD TOPIC.
|
|
 |