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Nasima · (#57 (**permalink**))

jamal786 wrote:

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""Our natural inclination is not to submit we must be taught not to be selfish. Also as the quran tells us satan whispers in mans ears. So the fight is a losing one it is only God who can save you."" (KANOBI)

If children are born pure and not in sin, and the kingdom of heaven belongs to them (Matthew 19:14), our natural inclination is therefore to submit.

It is true that the devil "whispers" in our ears to cause us to go astray. However, it is a choice whether we follow these influences or not. We seek refuge in Allah to keep us on the right path and protect us from such influences.

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This is the main point that i seek to emphasize in this discussion , The Same point in which i feel has been harped on enough. Jamal your points are the most precise in my view. Bottom line is indeed the freedom of choice which God freely gives us . It's all part of him wanting are hearts . He could will us to do whatever it is he deems necessary . However it's our own willingness to submitt that he seeks .

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Iam in agreeance (with some not all)of the Teachings of Islam I've developed a respect for the reverant determination,perservance and consistant discipline to pray in Islam as well as some of the laws in reguards to women and men interaction. I've taken the time to study much about it and iam sure there's much more that i could learn I do feel it's imperitive that one should take the opportunity to study other religions to get an understandingor if anything to obtain Knowledge andWisdom. TheMajorconflict that i have is the exculsion of Christ and his teachings.

Surah 1. The Opening

1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6. Show us the straight way,
7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.

Surah 114. Mankind

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Say: I seek refuge with the Lord and Cherisher of Mankind,
2. The King (or Ruler) of Mankind,
3. The Allah (for judge) of Mankind,-
4. From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper),-
5. (The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,-
6. Among Jinns and among men.

""Lying again! The bible speaks about legality on earth in Ezekiel and you twist its meaning by making up rubbish. Read the bible!"" (KANOBI)

..lol

How can i be lying when i am reading from the bible which you believe.

...No, man is not DESTINED to sin. Man has the freewill to choose to sin or not to sin. The same as Adam had the freewill to choose to sin or not to sin. Man is the same as Adam, no better and no worse. However, Adams choices were his OWN. Just as OUR choices are OUR own. Remember it is YOUR bible that says:

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clp)clp)ABSOLUTELY !!!!!!

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This is the point in the discussion i'd like to come in and kindly say that this is why the STRONG RELIVANCE of CHRIST and his teachings come into play. His purpose or shall i say one of many purposes why Christ came down apon earth sent by GOD was to also show man that he could overcome sin , becuase he's a living example of that for us as Christians.

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WE ARE FAILABLE !!!!! THEREFORE WE WILL SIN . BUT WE ARE AS JAMAL SAID GIVEN CHOICES NOT TO SIN . THE BOOK OF ACTS IS A BOOK I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL TO READ AS WELL IT ADDRESSES THIS TOPIC CLEARLY.

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I'm quite taken by this topic and iam learning much , for that iam pleased.

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The son (the progeny of Adam) shall NOT bear the iniquity of the father (Adam)." Ezekiel 18:20

"every man shall receive his OWN reward according to his OWN labour."I Corinthians 3:8 (and the problem is?)

"...There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was PERFECT and UPRIGHT, and one that feared God, and ESCHEWED evil.Job 1:1-22 (King James Version)"