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Tahliba wrote:

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Taysense wrote:

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Tahliba( sounds arabic)... Still sounds arabic.

respect sis

Anyways, you have to realize that just going on the internet will not mean finding the truth, you have to dig through layers of lies and propaganda. (despite appearences I am not a great fan of the internet for educational purposes, because you have to selective. I am a strong believer in looking for historical evidence -both primary and secondary-and reading books)

I think I am starting to understand what your saying and I do agree that economic colonialism is still in effect in Africa even after independence. But I was looking at why the country was poor even before colonialism, why was it that europeans and arabs were succeeding and trading. Whoa!!!!

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Taysense now this is where you are showing your complete ignorance(I honestly don't have the patience to put that in a way that sounds less offensive, so please don't take it with malice) Who were the Europeans and Arabs trading with?...think about that. Why did the Europeans go in search of a route to Africa? Why did they want to cut out the middleman(arabs)?

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Europeans were travelers and they were willing to learn from other people and bring things of use back to help their society grow, they were explorers and did not stay stagnant. When the crusaders invaded the arab and Islaamic world they were so impressed by what they seen that they took it back to their own country to bring them out of the dark age and into the light. They took in the silks, literary works and perfected and used themfor their on purpose. This is the kind of ingenuity that we need. The ability to burrow from other cultures without necessarily loosing your own. The europeans plundered, pillaged and stole, but they didn't stay and wait for their enemies. If our African ancestors also explored their surrounding making allies and armies, than I assure they would have grown and become wealthy incorporating others in their vast armies as theytraveled the world. Africans have a tendency to enjoy what little comforts they posses instead of looking at along-term better situation.

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You're right slavery was the main reason why America ((I never stated this) was able to quickly transform it's self from an agricultural based system to a money and industrial based system.(and actually America likemuch of Europe practised both systems side by side, infact the US is a perfect example of one half of the country beingpredominately industrial/service sector while the other half is agricultural)The demise of feudalism in Europe was due to land ownership becoming less important(land ownership being less important?!?! It still isvery very important. You need tolook into the history of fuedalism.and not the only way of making income, people learned(you are usingcontemporary terms now...how did people learn to branch out? Where did they branch out to?to branch out and stopped the dependence on the lords forging new relationships and taking controll of their own lifes.who's dependence on the lords?

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yes yes yes, I never said they totally abandoned agriculture, but due to technological advancements and resurgence of new industries people had more options and not stuck perpetual farming.

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The basic elements of feudalism were LORDS VASSALS FIEFDOMS, the lords controlled the fiefs that the VASSALS operated in and made their living from, now when the vassals have other means of making money that is another way ofmaking an income that does not include farmingor using the land than their debt to the lord is nullified and he has no control over them, giving greater autonomy to the vassal and the ability to purchase and own his own land. Land ownership shifted and VASSALS became nobles giving themselves independence.

But It's not all residues of colonialism that is making african countries poor, the problem with some Africanations is they focus heavily on one productfor examplelivestock and become dependent on trade,And you cannot see how this is a result of an historic relationship with the west?not only that but most of them arenet exporters which hurts the economy and continues the dependence.

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I just don't understand why African countries can't establish economic organizations of their own to counteract all these regulations and limitations put on them by NATO, WTO, and other corrupted alliances. The problem is the leaders who give free rein to MNC's without making them pay hard taxes or even forcing them to re-invest some of their earning in the country. When your leaders and the MNC's have identicle agenda's, than the vassal who works twice as hard will be exploited twice as much.

Capitalism/ Free market has it's pro's and cons, but right now their is no better alternative. Competition is key to sucess and growth. The greatest conspiracy theory of all. So what are the pro's of capitalism free market?

C'mon we know that their is no true free economy unless you count Somalia, but most countries have a mix of both governmental intervention and autonomy for the businessman. But competition breeds growth, however with that said I don't advocate total privatization. I can name all the pro's of Capitalism and you would too if you were a businesswoman and wanted to make money. Making profit doesn't mean compromising ethics.

Take a man beat him till he can barely walk and than challenge him to arace where all the obstacles are placed in his lane. Then when he fails to keep up, keeps stumbling over the obstacles, let alone winask him why he is unable to compete.

Why would he race in the first place? no the man needs to recuperate and get his revenge at a later time when his healthy.