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11-07-06, 10:46 PM
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@DM bro you have repeated the western rationalism down the line which is fundamentally flawed and also a reflection of the immaturity of western civilisaton and culture. Older and objectively more advanced cultures all over the world take the view that you make individual choices within a more complex framework. Great African leaders in history who changed the course of world history by their individual decisions also were concerned with the spiritual and metaphysical. That is why we produced the mosta advance societies known to humankind.
It is not one or the other and why many white western scholars have spent so long writing about spritual power, the soul and all that type thing because the complexity of life cannot simply be put down to man's will. Man did not will himself into existence.
Man did not create himself and his universe which has a fundamental logic and overall design. All animals and physical life actually complement each other in one of the greatest pieces of human engineering which showls clearly someoverriding and guiding higher intelligence. The relationship of man to plants trees, animals, the natural world, the physcial and other world is so complementary that is must be produced by a higher intelligence, which has a fundamental purpose in that design.
I was passionate in becoming a medical doctor because anyone who seriously studies the human body will be absolutely amazed in how it is designed, every part of it carefully contructed and complementary. Every sub system of the body works so intricately in complmenting other subsystem, simply reproducing the way the natural and cosmic world operates.
So whether you or I like it, we were designed by higher intelligence and that intelligence and conciousness had a purpose in that design. We have not come about randomly or by accident. The human body has not evolved. It was perfect from inception and by design as are all the systems which make up reality.
FB
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Sorry Fred but you've used rhetoric to say how my perspective is "western" and "flawed" and your viewpoint is "ancient" and I suppose somehow wise? You haven't really addressed why.
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Not everything has a meaning Fred. Why did I just scratch my nose? Was it destiny? Did some force thousands of years ago decree that on this day Drunk monkey's nose would so itch? I don't think so.
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Stuff happens, you control how you react to that stuff. Believing in manifest destiny comes of an arrogance. Thatvery human arrogance which says that we are the centre of everything and all important. There isn't a reason for things. We just want to believe there is so that we feel as if we're in control or on top of things we aren't. Like death for example. You want to believe your loved ones death had significance or manifest meaning. It didn't. They died because they were mortal like you. YOU now control wether that persons existance had meaning in how you choose to celebrate or remember them.
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What would Elvis be without Priscilla making him into a legend he wasn't? She as much as him is responsible for white people worshipping that man. She could have rolled over and dissapeared and let his memory slowly fade. No destiny. Her choice.
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It's narcissim of a sort. You or I are not that important in the grand scheme of things. Nobody paved your path Fred, you did it yourself. Or it's a refusal to accept your mortal responsiblity for the consequences of your actions. By passing the responsibility onto unexplained forces or destiny for what happens to you... it's not your fault.
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It's not your fault you're a homeless drunk bum... it's destiny! I'm not buying it. It's your fault your a drunk... ya dig?
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Human free will over bogeymen making your choices anyday.
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