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The Last African · (#61 (**permalink**))

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Interesting. I don't see the word as negative. I use it interchangeably with African, African American, etc.

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Well in my parents native languafge it isn't. But in most euro language anything with the dark as pefix is bad, bad, bad. With that said I still use itall the freaking time and don't punch people in the face (a bad habit I had, duringmy teens, I was ready to duke it with fists when people used various versions"negro" to verbally abuse me)for using it. Above all, my skin colour is actually brown, so if you are to refer to me or my people (even darkest africans are actuallya shade of darkbrown)why not do it correctlyconfused3 ?

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Of course, it doesn't make sense. It never did. That's beside the point, though. Everyone here is acting as if ALL white folks did was SAY thus and so, and we accepted it. For the umpteenth time, they had/have(to some extent), the POWER to implement/enforce/institutionalize their SAYSO. It doesn't matter if setting up a society on a cockeyed racial premise makes sense, is fair, is logical or anything else. Hitler's musings on racial purity and Jews didn't make sense(hell, some say HE was part Jewish), but any Jewish person who sat around trying to ARGUE/DEBATE that("I'm not Jewish Mr. Hitler, I'm German"), and there were some who did, instead of developing a strategy, and getting the hell out of Dodge, was a damn fool, and likely a dead fool.

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I agree, whole heartedly. I am aware (duh)that white folks had some sort of power to implement this system and thought.That's not what Iam disputing.What we have here is an attempt to change this already corrupt system by making it so that biracial are not black. I mean it's inherent in this very system that biracials are black or at least not YT (remember there is no such thing as a "0,5 YT" ). But is the situation the same today. I have propsed forcin our own view...the jews go by the mother for instance the arabs by the father. YT, both.

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And it makes sense for them to hold on to those self identifications in THOSE environments, as long as it works for them(though whether it continues to work for them,is debateable). My point was, once our ancestors ended up in the bottom of those ships, shackled together, irrespective of their previous ethnic identifications/cultral disparities(being controlled by folks who didnt' give a sh*t about such distinctions and treated them ALL equally, horrendusly), to continue to focus on that and not ADAPT to their CURRENT situation, would have been idiotic and sucicidal.

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I agree. And I think need to make it clear you. I have grown up in household which fed hundreds of african stundents from all over africa, with a different religoiuns at all. We didn't give a **** about such shyt, cause in Eurpe we are all ******s. Yep, I said it. Even in my family when somebody start some "tribal talk", I get uneasy because as reality stands that just bullshyt (despite that my tribe has been very influential in terms of african civiliastion etc). Even though I don't live in a nation that's "racist" or so(we more or less"lack" the institutionlised racism the govermenthas been doing some interesting shyt such banning "negro balls" as offensive and the people listen to government ans thus very few refer to choclad ballsas such, also we are avery socialist nation, I can tell you more via MPM or whatvere they call it)compared to the shyt you go through, I have always seen myself as "black" (though I prefer not to be seen as merely that)and never ever been ashamed (well when some peeps emberras themselves I feel shame, because it will come back at me and people will rant about it,like the time when a kenyan teacher on TV said that african kids needed to be hit/smacked to learn while YT kids didn't, she had never taught any YT kids as far I know, God knows I was ashamed when shesaid that), even though I grew up with relativelyfew blacks (more black either means some sort of strenght or we start to compete...against each other). With that said I don't run around with myblack fist to make my presence known (though my blackness, pun intended, does that anyway). I see black/african people, not various religouns or tribes, nations. I evenquestion african nationalism sometimes (because among manu other things we didn't write the borders), but at the same time it's closest we come to a sometimes needed unifcation. That's why I understand why Nigerians are like they are (patriotic and usually ver pro-black), theyhave200 languages and many religiouns (truth be said,I sometimes think the muslims there can slack off).That's brings alot of issues. And as it seems blackness is not a reason enough to unify so they take nationalism. And it sort of works.

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Classic European behavior. THEY understand instinctually, the need to unify among themselves and to sow discord and disunity in all they seek to conquer/vanquish/control, and more importantly, they KNOW thatthe tacticWORKS. Africans/Black folks world wide, have YET to grasp that, even 5 hundred years into the game.

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I always heard this whole unifcation shyt, byt what does it mean concretely ? Does it mean that we all recognise that we are "black"according to the EuroRacial System. I mean that's why I think it hasn't worked yet. We don'r know what we get through it or by adhering to, and there are few examples today that probe what good it could do, no to mention that people (usually euros) have succesfully undermined it. Personally I don't thinkunification is the sole solution to our problems, though it could solve a fee wars. For eaxmple look at europe,they have been "unified" for a very long time , at least 150 years (when the euros divided africa like a cheese,they were IMHO, pretty unifed ). Despite this they have notONE butTWO GREAT YT WARS. So all african conflicts can surely not be solved by us being "unified". Off course, you have not said this, I am merely making a few examples. I would rather unify woth somebody that shares my mindset than something else. While race matters more or less depending on location, I have learned mindset always matters everywhere. there are some black I would never want to unify in any sense with, because they are despicable (Mobuto for instance). You see I am grown up with the whole Kombaya, we are all one great HUMAN family (while my family taught me else, society teaches us Kombaya), and Ilike the premise, unrealistci as it may be...the whole doesn't look that way...at all. Even where I live there is alot of shyt that you can see, though it's usually hidden (this sentence feels darn contradictive but you get thepoint), open racism (ala laws)is rare. Note this nation is different, blacks are prefered in comparationto some others groups. It'complex.

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My point is whatwill unification do ? How does it benefit the average african ? Look at africa today, do you know who the people who rape, torture and murder african women and children are ? I know and they ain't YT ? . Until we see what unification can or does, few of us will embrace is, that is at least what I think. We do to far much shyt today, for unificatiion to aid.

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No sir, I don't think it was good for AA's to have to disregard our singular focus/obssession with our original ethnicities/cultures. I KNOW it was NECESSARY,though. My ancestors would not have survived, and I wouldn't be here, for u and I to be having this conversation, if they hadn't done that.

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I agree as well, you see , even though it may see seem as I thought it was bad,I don't. Survival is what important. With certain regulations of course (preying on you already downthrodden people to able to buy rims a new house or cater euro agendais not accetable). Since I am for somewhat revamp of culture I have no issues with it.

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The attempted slave rebellions on various slave ships, could not have even gotten off the ground, had those people not had enough sense to know that they NEEDED to be able to communicate with people who a few minutes ago were their sworn enemies. They had to learn each other languages on the fly. They had to become a new people on the fly. The reality they had known before, had no place, and would not benefit them, in this new REALITY. They survived because they ADAPTED. I've said it before on another thread, and I'll say it again. The BIGGEST advantage Europeans have over Blacks/Africans is their willingness and lighting speed ability to adapt and to adjust to a given situation/envionment. Europeans are arrogant, but not stupidly, so. Their arrogance rarely gets in the way of them making necessary adjustments to enhance/protect their interests. Our arrogance/pride, sometimes renders us stupid. We as collective will hold on to practices/ways for dear life, that no longer serve us, or outright harm us in our CURRENT enviroment/situation, out of willfullness/pridefullness/arrogance, even while having our asses handed to us, by white folks. There is a fine line between pride/resolve and foolishness/self sabotage. We are on the wrong side of that line, WAY too often, for my taste.

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I could marry you for this very part of the post.Jokes aside this pragmatism at it's best.

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Point taken. Well, if among Continental Africans, there is still a question or debate about whether or not unifying and giving up some of the past beefs/affilitations/ways, would have been/would be worse than what Crackers have done/continue to do, to the Continent and ALL of their cultures, that speaks for itself. I can tell u with certainty, that the position that my ancestors were in, left no room for such ponderings/musings/debate/confusion. THe answer was CLEAR as day, as far as what they needed to do. It's kind of like a job or relationship situation that has supposedlygone bad. If you still have the inclination/ability to weigh the pros and cons of it, , then apparently things haven't gotten bad ENOUGH for you. Because once they do, all of that dillydallying/hemming andhawing, will go out of the window,lol. There will be no question as to what you should be doing, and further more, you will DO it, ASAP.

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Point taken, I am not sure if "unification" could have helped anyways. I mean there was some very instances of unification. IT would have helped directly after our independence, though it was there in some nations.

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One thingI rememeber reading was how AA went to Ethiopia to fight Italy during YT WAR 2. Some might wonder why ? I don't, cause I know why...

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Really? How so? AA's are the MOST cohesive, unified group of Black people in the world, as far as I can tell, STILL, andone of the MOST cohesive groups, period.It's part of the reason we get described as monolithic, not thinking outside the box/being stuck in the past, why we all get painted with same brush, why "rare" Blacks like Obama who don't fit the prototype get thrown up in our colletive faces,lol..It's Why you haveyour prerequisite number of Tom's/sellouts whothink they can get rich by setting themselves apart from the rest of us, and incurring favor with Mr. Charlie(not implying this is so of Obama). This is ESPECIALLY true, when some racial ish jumps off. Furthermore, I don't care about us being un unified ALL THE TIME,( as long as we are when it MATTERS. White folks aren't unified ALL THE TIME,(it's pure mythology that they are)that's impossible. They have as many schisms/divisions/differing agendas as we , or any other group of human geings, do. The difference is, they know WHEN to put that sh*t aside, and get on the same page. Black folks,historically, and toa large extent now,;ESPECIALLY outside of America, DON'T. Therein, lies the problem.

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I was looking at it from a more societal/community perspective. Regardless of that, the last time I saw something like that was the civil rights march and that was 40 years ago. My point iswith the issues plaugingblack america (which coincidentally is similiar to africas insome isstances)one would rise a brow at the claim that you were unified. I think we have a different definition of unification. But I can tell you, there are many groupsin the world that aremonolithic, pretty much every(east in particular) Asian group/nation/etcnecity can be described as "monolithic, not thinking outside the box/being stuck in the past, why we all get painted with same brush", which is pretty much clear, but above all more so than AA, just my opinion. I can'tsay if AA are mostunified black group, becauseI am not sure, but it seems plausible.I mean Bill Cosbys comments as well As Oprahs "innercity" comment showed that there was more than opposing views.

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Unified in the past, yes most defintely...now...hmm, maybe if look at it from the voting bot, where 89 % vote democratic...

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And to be frank sometimes I wonder if even YT folks are that unified even when they need to. Or at least seemingly should.

Unification for African/Black folks could/would never have occured naturally. It would have to be forced. The proof of that is, that even when it's FORCED, or the OBVIOUS strategy, we still can't manage it, by and large(unless the pressure is massive and constant, like in Amerikkka). It's not in our makeup. As far as turning non Black, or this society not seeing us/treating us as Black, FAT CHANCE,lol. Not in America, at least. When that happens, which will probably be about the same time hell freezes over, if we all decided to scatter to the 4 winds, so be it. Again, I don't care about Black folks not uniting when there is no reason to. I care about us being to stupid to do so when there IS a reason. Observe white folks in their daily activities, they act like they hate each other, barely speak, but let some sh*t jump off that may adversely affect their collective/white supremacy/status/white privelege, and watch how they clique up and get on the same page.

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The underlined wasn't mean that way, But take OJ Simpson his successes meant he could pass for some while....then shyt hits the fan and all of sudden he is black aain. Fora moment, man thought he wasn't black, then did some shyt and voila, black gain. That's what I was meaning. And how the hell did YT get so focused, was there anything massivle dangerous in their cause ? We had various agressive and expansionist folks, They have had what ? The Ottoman Empire ? They were fighting those at the same times as fighting us...I would say culture hadsome impact. Especially religioun had some. Even then they hade massive wars among themselves for that. Maybe you will say the system unified them, but they had to bes somwhat unified to create itfrom the beginning. Maybe something ittle created this unification in purpose and mutual interest. And like an avalanche it had it's own life. Maybe religioun/culturehad some hand in it. For example, Christians are superiour, then euro christians are superiour and then simpleeuros...it's very simplictic, of course we have "science" (sarcasm)as well, whoinfluenced. But something must have made them go from germans are dirty murderous heathen *******s tothey are our pale brothers. I know aboutthe curse of Canaanand that seemingly justfied slavery for instance and mayexaplain our place in the system. But instead of religioun we have science and instead of Caana/Ham we have genes. But that's aleap anyways.

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And maybe the reason that it doesn't work is because it's forced and nothing realised(which what I meant when I spoke of natural) or developed.

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Of course it does, it works for everybody else. The proof is in the pudding.

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well I don't agree there. And I think YT is pretty divided as is, even when it matters. And neither do I think everybody does it or even that we are so bad at it. I think we have other issues.

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Precisely, and there were Black folks who did just that, as I mentioned before, even when they COULD have passed for white. This was back when sh*t was at it's most hectic. This is why I will never subscribe to the one size fits all rule. Forced unification often eventuallyresults in CHOSEN unification. Having the same harsh experience bonds people in ways that nothing else does. It's why military organizations put newbies through boot camp/yell at em/give em hell/ make them all responsible for each other. If one phucks up, they all get punished. They take people from disparate backgrounds and put them through that SAME harsh experience and FORCED unification because they know that if they make it through that TOGETHER, they will be bonded,for life and more likely to be a COHESIVE unit, and have each other's back in battle.Basic psychology.

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While agree here, there is an issue as well with forced unificarion, in our case we hade YT. Sure but what happens if the force that unifies is weakened for a time. That' my whole issue. If people realise this works and is good for us they will naturally revert to it, when the need arises. Take YT for example, YT gal gets raped (by non-YT)and they go ballistics (in america at least). Otherwise they couldn't give adamn, Yt gals are raped by YT all the time. Are YTs "forced" (this could in itself be debated, but you get my point)? No they have realised (according to their system)it lies in their interest to sometimes unify. I mean YT perplexes mein this case. Have you readhow YT looked at each other in the past. They treated other YT's as they treated us in some cases. But also, I sometimes question YT and their so called"unification"...and I wonder whether or not it applies.I mean all this sounds like theories and controverisal ones as well. I mean somethings YT does baffles me. The YT union (known as EU). For YT to unify there would need tobe some kind of force behind (spokena about above). Take the jews, no group in world is as unifed as them, and some conspire that even these have some force guiding them. But maybe simple pragmatism is thay force...maybe mutual interest. But it doednät just "pop up" like that.

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Look at africa we wereliberated from the colonial so called masters and we are immendiately at each others throats. I want it to be natural, sort oflike an habit. Also in the case with the military squad, the soldiers have a cause, which unifies them. You had one during the civilrights, Africa had one as well, while we were colonies. Something concret.But what now ? A fight against racism (specifically the one that affects us? Racism just touches most african lives, so it will be to dam distant for to many of us (in their opinion).There are no direct laws (in most societies and what I mean is that thereno laws that forbid black to enter some areas and all that)that further racism though there are variousloops which can abused to keep it. Imean fighting againstracismis sometimeslike fighting against terrorism, and the "war in error" is ultimately futile. It's(racism)starts and ends in the mind. Canone fight such a battle and "win".

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Also we also have an tendency to find a symbol for our unifcation and as with all symbols if anything happens to the symbolour very unifiction is affected. Look at Malcom, Lumumba or what have you.

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Man, I don't pay no attention to Negroes who insist on talking about what white or native American blood they have, ad nauseam. That's just something that some Negroes got off into, in America, maybe a coping mechanism or something. They KNOW they are Black, don't take it that serious,lol. They know the distinction between biological identifications(having this or that kind of blood), and CULTURAL identification. Their cultural id, is singularlyBLACK, and the rare one among us, who has any REAL confusion about that, will be helped out of that confusion, with the quickness by Mr. Charlie and company, so, no worries.

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Yeah I remembre he bircaial kid that was told by his (YT)mum that he was a YT kid with some disease.

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You do bring up a good point ,though. Part of the reason that I don't subsribe to the anti biracial argument is because in MY experience, most of the Black folks who run around "tripping" off of having white or native blood are 2 BLACK PARENT, having Negroes,lol. Growing up,my family was friends with a bi-racial family with kids around my age. MOst of the time, the LAST thing they wanted to do was harp on being half white or set themselves apart from the rest of us. They lived in fear of being called "zebra". They could hang with the rest of the community as far as trading insults/fighting/ momma jokes etc, but call them "zebra" or make fun of their biracial background, and they would cave in and really wanna get violent,lol. That would wound them to the core. Typically, the first person to sling that insult at them, was the kid who any other time was slobbering over their light skin or "good hair". Most biracials that have the attitude u speak of, don't have anything to do with Black folks(and are therefore non entities and of no concern to me), and they in America, are the minority of Biracials. The ones that are going to be around us/among us,know better than to come like that.

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Reminds of this event I was managing a bunch a group of black girls (mostly a biracial and YT,was there as well) came to me (I had spoken to them before, about some trivial crap) and told me that some guys were harassing them, I then told to say that I was there elder brother or some such and while I don't remember all the details I remember she was very hmm militant, saying something about our black brother is protecting us now and bunch of other stuff and we the black girls are coolest and a bunch of other stuff. Shortly put she seamed very proud of her heritage the whole thing was rather surreal). Either waysaid girl was 10-11...and note that she likely hasn't experienced that much racism.Yet that's how she choose to indentify, I was amased. Because she could easily have gotten away with calling herself biracial (though YTs here usually called biracial blacks, unles they know they are biracial). This might also be a case of "it's cool to be/act black".

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One of my best friends in high school was an biracial dude, Black as he wanted to be in attitude/worldview/racial matters, graduated from an HBCU, Hampton University. His mother looked like Carol Brady of the Brady Bunch. His father remarried and married a Black woman; So his stepmom was Black. He remains one of the most down to earth dudes I've ever known. Hedoesn'tdeny who his mom is, but he doesn't trip off of it, either. He remains CULTRALLY/AFFILIATION-LY Black, as well as being partially "biologically" Black.

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I have seen much of this as well, though I don't think it's good to dismiss one's other half. My issues is with biracials with the "we are superiour" as well thosewho are ashamed of thr black half(but then again we have plenty of africans/blacks that are shamed as well confused3). Off course logic tells us he will be more "black" then YT. I mean that's culture again. In the household everybody is black including him so his mindset makes sense. Not to mention the one drop rule which always applies unless we are talking about beauty or accomplishment, in which case the non-black part will be mentioned frequently.

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I have seen a tendency among many biracial to first indentify as blacks during their teens and then as biracial. It's as if they are searching for their indentification and first choose the one that is laid upon them by society, only to later reject it and choose then on that makes more sense in this system. Thus biracial instead of black. Few ever claim YT, I mean the system can't take that

. From now own let's call it the Matrix by the way

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I've known plenty of biracials throughout my life(had a few as friends as I mentioned ), and have never had them be anything but down to earth, and either have a nonchalant attitude about being mixed or not want to dwell on it at all(much of that has to do with MY attitude towards them, methinks, like what Impact said). Now, i'll tell who I do find to be most likely to have a snotty attitude, or think they are the sh*t....2 Black parent having "light skin","redbone" "high yella"(often self described that way,btw),can't even tell u where the white ancestor came in/don't even like white folks, Black folks. You can't tell some of them fools that the sun doesn't rise and set on their asses,lol, and it's usually because they've had some "full blooded" dark skinned Negro slobbering over them and gassing their heads up. Now, if ya'll wanna talk about banishing some of them, I'll be first in line to sign up for that..........

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well the lightskin makes them feel superiour, I mean everybody wants to feel superiour to somebody. The funny thing is that they still ain't shyt according to YT, no matter what unless you are YT feeling superiour according to the system/matrix is futile...it will give little to no pleasure in the long run.

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Promises, Promises.

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But come one, we all know about it, you didn't need to rub in our faces, now did you ?blkfingerwagbighairlol