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Gmahogany. · (#159 (**permalink**))

DtotheJ wrote:

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Gmahogany...

Interesting that common mentioned the age of hip hop......Don't know if you've heard one of his most popular songs "I used to Love H.E.R.",
listen to it here
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http://www.undergroundhiphop.com/aud...il.asp?ID=1276

but he alluded to the turn that hip hop took...though he didn't quite go into as much depth as you.

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I am familiar with that song, it's one my favorite songs from Common, and he was lamenting the shift that hip hop had taken,just from the time he got involved(i remember when he first came on the scene), which proves that hip hopat that time, had the ability to critique itself. People like KRS ONE, took shots at the slide hip hop was taking in songs like 'Duck Down' among others. So it's not like there weren't hip hop artists and FANS,like myself, who didn't see the shift/slide occuring, or say anything about it, TRY to resist it, THEY/WE did.

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As a matter of fact, I even place SOME of the Blame on older,and or bourgersie Black folks for the slide. When hip hop was MOSTLY conscious and or positive: Public Enemy(who at least in part had a record deal BECAUSE of Russell Simmons), KRS, De La Soul, Queen Latifah, MC Lyte, or at worst innocuous and humorous:Biz Markie,Fresh Prince and Jazzy Jeff, older and some younger snobbish Black folks rejected and hated on the music EVEN then. I remember, I was there. Black radio programmers/dj's wouldn't play it, it was all demonized, NOT because of the message, but because it was largely YOUNG BLACK MEN, talking. It was offensive to some just BECAUSE it was young Black men saying it, didn't matter that what they were saying was positive.What that did was lead people like Russell and other who FIRST went to Black record excecs,investors, radio stations djs, and were soundly and uniformly rejected, start going to TA-DAH!!!! WHITE FOLKS(who can sniff a moneymaker like nobody's business, and zeroed right in on the charicature/stereotype/let's sell violence drenched/over sexed big dicked BLack male/sexually loose booty shakingBlack female/Black folks as criminal/and ghettofantasies to WHite people...it'll sell like hotcakes, ANGLE. From that point on the music started to cater more and more to what WHITE FOLKS wanted to hear(which of course was NOT positive/uplifting/conscious/revolution music from US). It blew up, became a billion dollar industry, due to the wealth affluence of it's now mostly white audience, and it's been a runaway train, SINCE. All those older Black folks who dismissed the music and more importantly the young Black people MAKING IT, could now only sit back and watch as things went to hell in a handbasket. They have themselves to blame, in some measure. They had the opporunity to embrace, mentor,guide, INFLUENCE, have the ear of these entrepenurial/ambitious/creative/energetic, at that time,YOUNG, Black people, they chose to do something different(as in life in general, anything YOU won't do, someone else WILL,lol), and we find ourselves where we now find ourselves.

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It's funny, cause I remember thinking to myself, even as a young fan of hip hop, that one day these same Older Black folks who are demonizing PE, KRS, Biz Markie, De La Soul are going to WISH that they had embraced and supported/played THOSE kinds of rappers. I think I started to feel that the first time I heard NWA. That' was the beginning of the end, imo........

I am glad that hip hop artists and businesmen ad finally hearing and responding to the criticism of the men an dwomen in community who hate the direction the music has taken and are taking a REALISTIC approach to do something to examine and change things.

It's not being driven by outsiders this time....or calvin butts and c. delores tucker...trying to build names for themselves ,etc....

Having said that..the news today is who didn't show up...allegedly jay z..was asked to attend and declined.....I figured lot of big names would refuse to take part....

the men who did attend, I think, didn't present themselves that well..as current participants in the industry....they would not bite the hand that feeds them...gmahogany....

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No disagreement, like I said, to the extent that people like Russell have PANDERED to white folks in this, they have much to answer for(and I felt that way long before a wrinkled up peckerwood did what peckerwoods have always done). I would like it to be discussed from THAT angle. If we're people like Oprah, gonna talk about it, Let's TALK about it, and I mean ALL OF IT.

in fact, the attorney, who works outside the machine of the system is the only one who brought up the economic factor....This is the man who "liberated" Prince..from warner brothers..Prince the talented...multi instrumentalist...writes everything..plays everything......owns his masters....etc..lock him in studio for 4 hours come out with 5 complete albums..

if PRINCE(at his commercial peak) was subject to record label pressure...imagine a rapper...

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Indeed.

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It's their livelihood and like the attorney alluded to....some don't succumb to music industry pressure to make simple minded fluff(because they have the integrity, education, and support)...but many do....

Yep.