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Interesting.
I prefer to focus on how our personal feelings about 'Toms' 'crackers' etc are manifested in our strategies to alleviate, reduce, eliminate and develop alternatives for the problems that affect our peoples.
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You assume that these two things are necessarily mutually exclusive. I beg to differ. I can/will call a Tom a Tom, when I encounter one, a cracker a cracker when I encounter one AND insist that WE implement strategies, mental changes, behavioral changes to deal with what goes on in our community. Walking and chewing gum at the same time, is quite doable for me. The Nation of Islam has been doing just that for 60 years or more.
One thing about |Malcolm X that you''ll ntice is that when he was interviewed on the various talk and radio shows, many of them with very confrontational hosts, his personal feelings about the hosts never becameTHE issue. Any public appearance became an opportunity to educate and advance the cause of our people, to inform any blacks or whites who were tuned in.
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HIs personal feelings may not have become the ISSUE,but he certainly was not adverse toreferring to/characterizingsomeone as a Tom, a handkerchief head,a House ******a Klansman or anything else he felt was TRUE about them or their ilk, even when doing an interview oron a panel. Malcolm and Farrakhan after him,(and NOI members in general), tend to be unfailingly polite and civil when dealing with people one on one, be they Black or white. That is a function of style and demeanor,self discipline, and strategy. Understand it well, and can do it well, when I am of a mind, or in the moodto.....
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Being it was on FOX, I'm quite sure that the host represents the views of that station. It appears that Malik Shabazz knew that also. So strategically, why was he there. To say F--- you? As Sonia Sanchez once wrote in one of her poems..."Uh huh...but how does that free US?" Once you go on that show you elevate that show. You establish the legitimacy of the show. If you are on that show to show your contempt for the host (for whatever reason) then prepare to do that. If you are on that show to advance the cause of our people...then be prepared to do that.
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You'll get no argument with me on Malik Shabazz. See my response to the thread starter, regarding Malik. I already said he has always struck me as strident and over the top,(I said that without waiting to hear anyone elses opinion,btw), because I'm already VERY familiar with him. I also said I had some reservations about him and that I find over the top type's, suspect. I didn't elaborate, cause I don't like to go off half cocked about folks,castingunproven aspersions and what not,but his status as a staple on the show of someone like Bill Cracker O'reilly, is part of what makes him SUSPECT to me, and I"m gonna leave it at that. Ya'll can infer what you will from it.........
Agree with you enemy if he acknowledges a point that you agree with and then co-opt the point by pointing to a strategy that your enemy, if he/she really believes what they are saying, should also agree with.
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No problem with this, but being a person who doesn't like it when people try to insult my intelligence(particularly people whom I don't think are as smart as I am), I like to let MOFOS know, if and when I think they are full of shit, and are being DISINGENOUS about what they are saying. That's just me though, I admittedly sometimes have to leave the: rituals/playing footsies with the enemy, to others who have the stomach and the patience for it, cause I usually don't........I reiterate, Michelle Malkin can kiss my Black ass.
A bigoted commentator once applauded the Million Man March for its call for Black men to be faithful husbands and providers. Rather than sounding the 'cracker' out as a 'voice forthe right wing'the Nation of Islam representative thanked him and remarked how so many of these husbands were ex-cons and how they would apprecitate it this bigot would begin to support the un-equal sentencing and lack of rehabilitation present in the American justice system.
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See above paragraph.
You either expose hypocrisy or your advance your cause.
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Or if you're really smart and resolute, you do BOTH........
So I'm questioning the intent of the above post.
Malik Shabazz and his crew errored by judging and convicting and condemning these people in public (something strategically the NAACP Legal Fund has been fighting against for years). He then went on a TV program, hosted by someone opposed to you to defend his error.
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Again, see my original comments on Malik. I am very familiar with the dude, have been observing him for YEARS, and would never be dumb enough to jump off a cliff based on anything he said,lol.
The host may be a right-wing racist but the points RAISED on her show were not. And anyone in that same situation should be prepared to separate their personal antipathy towards a person and their committment for a cause.
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Again, you assume that these things are mutually exclusive. Maybe they are for YOU. They are not for me. Both and, my friend, not either or...........
Instead Malik Shabazz showed himself to be the stereotypical 'negro' showcased in the play NO PLACE TO BE SOMEBODY "Black means being LOUD.....and WRONG".
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You're preaching to the choir..........
There is a friend of mine in Philadelphia who has just finished a film called "NO!". It's a documentary about the silence of Black Men concerning rape in the African-American community. It particularly affects me because several friends were in the documentary who were raped and I never knew it. As soon as I find the site I'll recommend the documentary. There is a discussion between Black men in the documentary with this main point for those blaming the lack of respect for black women on slavery. African-American women can't and won't wait for Black men to deal with white men before we stop raping them. (I include myself in the incusive 'we')
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And this is what you gathered from MY earlier reply? Reread it, please.
In the Oprah show yesterday. the students from Spelman (predominately African-American female university in Atlanta) made a point about accountability.
During the height of the crack crisis we made a big point of blaming the suppliers (the supposed CIA, the Columbians, and other shadowy forces) for allowing drugs into the black community and 'causing us to become addicts". So, except for some yeoman community initiatives, our militants railed against the those who supplied the drugs and not those who used it.
And now, when a crew of black youths (I won't say poor and deprived because many are not such as Tupac) SUPPLY the world with the most depraved lyrics perpetuating the negative images of their people we now demand that the USERS must be held culpable and not the SUPPLIERS.
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I'm not demanding that the users be held accountable in this case. As I said, the users, ie. white folks, aren't doing anything different than what they've BEEN doing for centuries. I just said, since Oprah and company were in a TALKING mood, and want to discuss the ills of hip hop,the problems of misogyny and sexism, talkabout it ALL,don't be half assed about it and act like these phenomenons are peculiar to, or sprang forth, fully formed from the imaginations of rappers, or Black men, even, . They didn't, and it's disingenous to act like they did.Particularly since the major consumers of said misogyny ARE NOT BLACK PEOPLE. THAT'S what I don't appreciate.
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If Oprah or any ofthese otherNegroes who are SO concerned about the pathologies in our community could EVER havea discussiononthem without invoking the name of Crackers, talking about how Crackers are confused about what they can and can't say to/about usthese days/what's a poor white person to do/how come Crackers can't saywhat WE can say,or just generally being worried about what Crackers think/feel/ vis a vis, shit that hasNOTHING TO DO WITH THEM, and other assorted foolishness. You wouln't be hearing a peep from me.
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As far as staying on Black men's asses about the ways in which they have sought/continue to seek to replacewhite menas the oppressors/abusers of Black women, with THEMSELVES and how they had better disabuse themselves of that notion unless they want internal warfare/dissension like they've never seen(will make what white women did to white men in the 60's look like child's play). Honey, I can talk about that all day, and have talked about it in numerous threads on this board(and didn't need a racist outburst from cracker ,or a save/defend a cracker EVENTto do it,imagine that?). Ask around, I have somewhat of a rep as being dare i say it? a "feminist" around here,lol.
Both positions assume a weak, helpless, slave-like African-American community with no values or mores or structuresto create an environment of accountability and internal fortitude to resist.
So who cares whether whites buy hip-hop or are the major users of cocaine? What type of community are we trying to build? One that fools itself that itis strong because no one attacks us?
I believe that if we get out of this "I AM A WAR-REE-YUR" complex (where we need to use our penlight to find some enemies) and get back to the business of nation-building we can more readily stay on point about what is important and who or what is not.
Your last 3 paragraphs areso far from what I'm arguing, they don't even warrant responses, straw man arguments, etc........
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