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Gmahogany. · (#31 (**permalink**))

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Kunjufu and Gmahogany, I suggest both of yous re-read the posts and understand, it's well known that people only read the first few lines but dont pay much attention to the rest, hence you get headlines in a newspaper and the finished article usally is the opposite to what the headline was, people then react to the headlines with no basis.

For some reason people has got it into thier heads that I reckon pacifism will cure the worlds ills, whereas just an example: the American civil rights had both pro action and pacifism for it to be overcome. This jumping in with 2 feet reacting first and thinking later needs to stop.

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Catalyists and Resolutions, catalyists are pride and force to get things in motion to help commence a stuggle, resolution is swallowing of pride, courage, laying down of arms, this is eventual power which always wins.

Everybody is the armchair pied piper and never the pawn, in every case mentioned there were unique individual(s) who had the clarity of mind to rise above the nonsense of the masses and bring it all to a close, to resolve. Power always wins.

To commence a struggle is not pacifism Then there is the so called pacifism AFTER the fighting. There is a before AND after I am not talking separates ie: one over the other here. If you think I am, show me where I have done so, and ask me to explain.

No bull.

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Also I was trying to look at things objectively:

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King represents power(knowledge), same like Ghandi and Mandela(he did more good behind bars) and they came out on top, which the world recognizes. X represented force which only a section of people holds up as he done good, because.... there was an agenda.

What I'm saying here is to go out into the streets and ask a broad range of people what did these people represent, not your local area and to ask all colours of skin. You can ask virtually all black people about Malcom and in all likeyhood he will be held in high esteem. How about outside of the community, what do they think? Ask the same people about other names like MLK, Ghandi and Mandela, truth is they will hold them with a much higher esteem, some wont even know of Malcom.

Gmahogany, you dont know how to talk to people, the worst insult I gave you was to tell you that your head is soft after running at me, and get this...you even have nerve to mention it me after your torrent of abuse, but I dont dwell on it, every single thing I mentioned about tribalism whereby if one person speaks independently and sticks out from the others, he gets whacked and by use of force you have displayed blatently on cue, this is what the books I've read has told me, should I burn them? because they've got your number, I find it quite amusing, you are my clown, ok Coco!

Will your pride allow this? can you rise above it?

Whatever you gotta tell yourself,sweetheart. I didn't use force, I corrected the mischaracterization/oversimplification of a movement that is not some intellectual, abstract excercise, or something justread about, for me and mine. I most likely would not have responded to u at all, had you not mentioned Malcolm negatively(i don't play about Malcolm),and Ghandi positively.

My tone was harsh because as I said, this is not some abstract exercise for me, people really lived through this shit(and still deal with the vestiges of it), so to hear people glibly discussing it with philosophical platitudes and coming to all kinds of asinine conclusions, makes my blood boil. Furthermore, I am more than sick of the simplistic, junior high school, history class,untrue versionof that Movement that MOST people insist on regurgitating- Malcolm bad, King good.. white people did bad things to Black folks(but white folks are good at heart)....King made a speech, telling Black folks to love white folks no matter what, everybody kissed and made up......It makes me nauseous. I apologize for harsh tone, I can admit that I definitely see red, very quickly on topics like this.

BTW, I'm gonna let your little clown remark slide, because I am capable of extending Grace, as well as lobbing hand grenades. I'm versatile like that.