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HLF,

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Once again, Jewish people are not the sons of Yehudah nor are they the original people of the book. Judisam is a Pharisaic perversion (aka a religion) of the spirituality of Abraham, Issac and Jacob/Yisrael, which the sons of the twelve sons Yisrael suppose to uphold faithfully forever.

What is your evidence please?

http://www.thelawkeepers.org/bhifaq.htm

Jewish people are not the people of the book, if they were, their righteousness would be the overflowing evidence of the righteous of Yahweh. The nations would not despise them as they do if they represented who they came to represent. Yahweh's nation of priests are called by the name of Yisrael, but overall how many Jewish people speak of that, in terms of being Yisraelite instead of Jewish? Furthermore, according to "Jewish law" jewish identity is carried on through the mother, but clearly in the original and any translation of the Yivree (Hebrew) Word, identity is carried from the male line. Where did Yahweh order this change in the book if Jews are the Yisraelites? Is it not even common custom for women to take men's last or surname? Which is only another example that the Jewish people are fraud heir-pretenders, they are not the descendents of Yisrael.

In traditional Jewish law, Jewish identity is inherited through the mother only.

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http://judaism.about.com/od/whois4/f/jewishid.htm

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What is up with this false Messianic doctrine? It is still elevating a man as equal to God, Yahweh. If JC was the only son of God, then who are the other sons spoken of in Genesis 6:2? --"the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were beautiful, and they took any they chose as wives for themselves."

Messianic Judaism does not elevate man to the status of God! What evidence to you base your claim on? Genesis 6:2 apparently refers to the angels who fell from heaven, it denotes intermarriage between angelic beings and humans, giving birth to Nephilim (Giants, Mighty Ones). Genesis 6:2 shows that there was not only one son of God, but many created sons of God, but as most believers "believe", they don't know the difference.

It does elevate "Yeshua"! Prayers to Yahweh in Yeshua's name? Is that not elevation? Why would a servant of Yahweh pray to Him in the name of Yeshua, or Moses, or Aaron, or even Isaiah? That is ascribing a partner unto Him, and there is no equal to Yahweh.

Because those who sacrificed their children were killing them for nothing. When God allowed Yeshua to die, he did so knowing that death could not hold Yeshua, which is why Yeshua was resurrected from the grave.

[17] The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life--only to take it up again. [18] No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." (John 10:17/18)

God presented his son as a sacrifice according to the sacrificial system he himself set in place, not according to pagan standards. You have to read Hebrews 9 and 10 to understand the significance of this. As a believer I have faith that not only does Yeshua's sacrifice on the cross atone for my sins, but his resurrection means I have the promise of eternal life. The power that raised Yeshua from the grave is alive in me now also to prevent me from sinning. That is a central focus of the bible, sin leads to death, death entered the world through Adam and Eve because they sinned. Yeshua has the task of reversing this. Romans chapters 5/6 explain this.
Where does it say in Yivree(Hebrew) that YHWH sacificed His only begotton son? Even in Greek where is it? Where is Yahweh's name in the New Testament if it is truly He who JC/"Yeshua" of the (Greek) NT served? If the OT and the NT were written by the same people by the Divine Will of Yahweh, not only would it be in the same language, Yahweh's name would be through the whole book. I looked far and wide in the Interlinear Bible, which has the original languages both books were written in. Yahweh's name and declarations are within what is called the OT, but is NO WHERE in the NT! This is the deception I am talking about.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

God did not sacrifice a person meaninglessly according to pagan practices,but raised Yeshua back to lifeto show that God's power is stronger than the power of death. The bible teaches that there are states beyond death, either eternal punishment or eternal life.

How can there be eternal punishment or eternal life if there is no Divine law anymore to judge everyone on as some believe?
If you speak of the God of Abraham, who is Yahweh, Yahweh did not and does not permit the sacrifice of any man nor child in His name for the sins of anyone. There is no evidence with the authenication of His name that He allowed such. "God" can be anything because it is a general title, but just as a man has a defined name, so does the One God: Ex 3:15 --

God said moreover to Moses, "You shall tell the children of Israel this, 'Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.(WEB Bible)

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Do you refute that Yahweh did not sacrifice any of His sons for the sins of men? Where does it explicitly state in the Divine Word (Hebrew Bible/OT) that He did and that He said that He did?

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It was not acceptable, yet people will not let go of that lie which they can transfer blame and responsibility to. It isn't anything but the flip-side of the coin that is Christian on the head and Messianic Judaism on the other side, it is just that one is slightly closer to the truth via the original language the OT was written in, the Divine Name of God, etc.

I don't think you fully understand the doctrines of Christianity or Messianic Judaism, some of the questions you have already asked show this. Their is a huge gulf of difference between Christianity and Messianic Judasim, even though they use the same scriptures.

At the core it is the same (God and the "son of God", "the messiah", he died for our sins and is coming back), Messianic Judaism may know more in reference to the languages of the bible and the holy days but my point is far deeper than any religion common explains.

http://www.messiahtruth.com/response.html
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Messianic Judaism is a Christian movement that began in the 1970s combining a mixture of Jewish ritual and Christianity. There are a vast and growing numbers of these groups, and they differ in how much Jewish ritual is mixed with conventional Christian belief.

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Even Christianity is a mixture unto itself; it is based in Egyptian theology (NT) that the Greeks attempted to merge with the Divine Word (OT), but anyone who has read both books and really discerned between what the two books teach would KNOW.

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I am not a believer, because believing does not create any thought or pondering for/of knowledge.

Is it possible for you to know this if you are not a believer? Or do you think that you have the ability to judge accurately whether other people think or not. I guess yo umust believe any one who is a believer does not think or search for wisdom and knowledge, right?

Most believers assume, in a real spiritual debate what do the religious fall back on? The "I heard" doctrine that is not spiritually enriching them at all. A "believer" may search, but if a believer searches and finds true wisdom and knowledge, they are no longer believers, they will be knowers; this is the difference between wisdom/knowledge and belief , that which is knowing. Who provides Divine and priceless wisdom from ancient days? If wisdom and knowledge is what one might seek, wouldn't the Source of that wisdom, knowledge and truth be sought foremost?
Both are intertwined, finding the absolute of one will lead to the other....as they say, you'll never know until you know. Everyone who seeks to know can know, but the majority will tell you the opposite of that truth.

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I am a knower, a seeker of truth and the knowledge of the One true God, Yahweh.

I hope you continue seeking and find the truths that you deserve.

Blessings...

In reference to the spiritual truth, I will continue to seek the whole truth.
As for you, I hope all that you have written is in "belief" and not full knowledge of the truth, because if that is so, you can bet this will be written up in your file (every deed of men is recorded) as misleading people from the truth. If you think I'm B.S.ing, Yahweh will even show you Himself exactly what you are doing, how it is leading people away from the truth and the effect on you for that action. Don't half up the truth and then speak of blessings, what blessing is that if you aren't representing the truth that you so claim? You are sending tares instead of any spiritual/mental blessings of Yahweh-God.
That is what a real blessing is about spiritual growth and a lie won't help anyone grow spiritually!

To to tell the whole truth as it is, not only does Judaism deviate from the whole truth, so does Christianity and all the religions, because they are not spirituality. The Divine Law that Yahweh declared has not been abolished, and that is the straight truth without any disguises ("Jewish") over the top of it.