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Originally Posted by Jim999
Jay - I’m having a hard time trying to figure out if you're arguing religion, greed, politics or history - you kind of have everything mixed in.
On the History front: Actually the place that Abraham came from was VERY advanced, it’s real name was Sumer, later known as Babylonia – experts disagree as to which was man’s first civilization – Sumer or Egypt.
Abraham’s presence there was as a result of (Mar.tu/Amorite/Habiru/Hebrew) immigration as a result of one of their Kings (Hammurabi), having taken control of the Empire. After the fall of Hammurabi’s dynasty, it’s reasonable to assume that some of the Amorites might have felt unwelcome. It’s interesting to note that Abraham first went back home to Amorite territory (Harran), before moving on to Egypt.
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I have everything mixed in simply because there is no difference between religion, greed, politics and history, they are one and the same, if people want to look them at as separates that good.....but they are still intertwined. It all depends how you look at things to give an example.......everyone should be familiar that back in history the pope declared the earth was flat, these people were not stupid, they were highly educated, to say the earth is flat is nothing more than the use of fear to stop people traveling west. It was a political move which involved greed.
Regarding Ur/Sumer, I mentioned the place was new geologically speaking, the Sumer civilization sprang up all of a sudden, because the area couldn't support civilizations with enough water beforehand anyway, track back Abrahams genealogy and how long each generation lived and it doesn't add up in a period that is fully documented by scribes from all around the region. I'm sure what you say about the Hammurabi’s dynasty and the Amorite territory is true, but this is pure speculation when it comes to Abraham,
Abraham stopped the Hebrews worshiping the golden calf, it all to do with the stars and the precession of the equinoxes ---->Astrological ages.
The Age of Taurus (BULL)
The Age of Aries (RAM)
The Age of Pisces (FISH)
The Age of Aquarius (water bearer)
The Hebrews worshiped of the golden BULL, Abraham was known as AbRAM in the Bible, he stopped them from worshiping the bull, the BULL ---> the RAM, Everybody body knows Jesus is synonymous with the FISH. the BULL --> the RAM --> the FISH
Did Abraham physically exist... NO, are the 3 semitic religions based on Abraham....YES, Are the Egyptians evil....NO, Was there a sympathetic exodus......NO, Was there a tyrannical expulsion....YES, Is the Torah, Bible and Qu'ran actual true history....NO, Has history been changed....YES.
Everything about the Ancient Egyptians in the 3 books were to do with MAN. .
I'm not saying everything is rubbish, history is just not what most people think it is, I also feel in times to come MANY will have to make a big readjustment just like what is said about the so called Hebrews worshiping the golden calf. And if true history is anything to go by, people who are unawares will be made to make that adjustment whether they like it or not. If they in control of the priest class have to give you a story to follow you can be assured you will get the story to make you follow what they say.