That wasn't the point. Making creationists question is irrelevent. The purpose was to show that morality or belief in goodness does not requrie a deity. Not to convince or unconvince creationists of their religion. I'm past that lol

I agree. I'm creationist....but also hold that reason comes first. I for one do not take only Intelligent Design and leave evolution/reason/philosophy. Both Intelligent Design and Evolution are both possible systems of creation......take my word, I have learnt this as a kid reading the Qur'aan....