Groups of like minded people with the same interests/agenda get together and act, other folks come along and get on board when they see which way the wind is blowing. That's trueof everything from the AMerican Revolution to the Civil Right's Movement.
Not all of us wait for this 'wind of change' some of us set sail a while back but when you see which way the wind is blowing, you will be welcomed on board!

There are limits to the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of abstract thinking/theories. Of course that only matters if you're actually concerned with PRACTICAL application and results, which a lot of intellectuals are not.

I think the interlectual your thinking of, wears beige clothes, a bow tie and braces. That's not the type of interlectual the other poster was discribing. Chances are if you respect a black leader, he's an interllectual

You're right, there are no limits to abstract/ivory tower thinking, as long as it stays in the ivory tower. That's where some folks get it twisted.)

Interllect shouldn't be hiden away, or put out of reach.It's for anyone smart enough to want it!

It is the basis of all movements. You can't just say, Let's start a movement!'' You have to sit and thrash out what your aims are.

Ask Chancellor Williams, why did he bother to write the book, you will get the answer.

I think some of you saw the word and jumped o conclusions about its definition!

If that is so, than you should not have taken my comments as being directed towards you. Who the cap fits.......

That 'cap' looks like I'm wearing a thimble on ma head! I havent a clue who your posts were aimed at you wrote ''Just Say No...... I make a GENERAL response, covering points made by several people....,''

The fact that part of you post mentioned Islam indicated that I was one of the 'several' your rather general post was aimed at. As we clearly have totally different out looks, pretty much anything that I wrote could of been interpreted in all manner of ways.

It's better to quote and name people then there is no confusion!

Nope, I disagree. There is not always a good reason to advocate for the Devil. No sane,self respecting Jewish person should ever be saying: "Well, Hitler had a point",lol.

No one said anything that approched an equivilent to the 'shitler example you used! I never said one can play devils advocat in all circumstances either!

Playing devils advocat is a tool to strengthen your ideas and to help you to find weak points in your beliefs and defend your argument against possible attack from the opposition. You pre-empt what arguments they may throw at you.

It's not saying 'I agree with so and so, that's just......... agreeing with so and so!

I don't have to check out Jewish sites. I am quite familiar with Jews and how they do, and it doesn't REMOTELY resemble what Negroes do, ESPECIALLY in reference to their enemies and what was done to them. If you find a few talking the same kind of simple shit that you quite often hear US talking,
I don't remeber saying we were like jews, I said ever other race plays some form of devils advocat in some instances and use jews as an example, hardly the same thing is it!

They don't pussyfoot around like we do. Ask rap group PUblic Enemy or their Jewish music producer/record label owner Rick Rubin, who ALL got death threats from groups like the Jewish Defense League, back in the day because of a FACTUALLY correct comment, made by a group member, that didn't sit well with the Jewish community. Not only was PE in danger, but their Jewish benefactor was gonna get some too, if he didn't make the right decision, so don't try to sell me on this" Jews handle things the same way we do, bullshit". Too much evidence to the contrary.)

Jewish benefactor! Jewish benefactor! And just WHOM exactly was he benifiting?
Some jew manager 'pulls the stings' of a pro black group, and you call him a benifactor?

Do you think this manager had a concern about us or do you think he saw $$$ and new that violence sells, slack lyrics and dropping a bit of pro blackness in a rap group will cater to the pro black section of the comunity that addicted to rap?

Damb, that JEDI MIND TRICK really is powerful!...
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Analyzing the thinking and motives of those who would attempt to hold u down is strategic and necessary, that is not the same as what NEGROES have a propensity for doing, or what was being done by some in this thread. Not even close.

Any what do 'they' have a propensity for doing?

No problem with the cultural critic thing. Big problem with "pro Black" advocate/leader/spokesperson dating/marrying non Black. Simple as.
Cool, glad to hear it!

I don't care if you are interested in Islamic Studies, I'm not either. I was advising you to stop talking out of your ass about the Nation of Islam, Elijah Muhhamad, because it was obvious from your comments that you don't know what you are talking about. I didn't say that taking on someone else's religion is the OPTIMUM way for us to handle things, but if you ARE going to do that, at least be smart enough to ADAPT the shit to YOUR group...)

Indeed takin on someone else religion is definatley not ''the OPTIMUM way for us to handle things'' by any stretch of imagination!

If your that smart(read they)....why take up a coolie religion in the first place? If you have a problems with white people and your english name, why change it to an arab one? Why adopt arab customs. Why put yourself in a position where part of you focus is on black africans and part of it is on your muslim brothers around the globe? Why learn arabic? Why go to an arab country?

All valid questions, I don't see how you can say I am talkin out my ass! Oh I forgot, arabs aren't white so it's all cool....right?
Can you point out any of the changes that they made,that could not of been made without the coolie arab junk?

I just seems the africans only really rise up when it under some foreign banner, no matter how much black paint is slapped all over it!

P.S I did actually state that NOI was the better of the two.


Again, read above paragraph and stop projecting your issues/experience with Islam as practiced OUTSIDE the U.S. with what was/is practiced here. Totally different animal.'
Yes it is a diffent animal, it's an animal born of arab parents!

That is your prerogative, but if you make untrue statements/characterizations about the NOI, I'll be inclined to correct you.
Please refresh my memory and be ''inclined to correct me,'' what ''untrue statements/characterizations'' did I make about the NOI?

Now arguing about me or anyone else choosing to use the word NEGRO or CRACKER, or YT, on a message board DOES constitute, ARGUING ABOUT CRAP,LOL.
Taking into account some of your beliefs...I can understand that!

Thug life? Really? Is it that serious?LOL.

Yep, really and serious too! lol.

I don't have contempt for Black intellectuals, as I stated before, I can dwell in that realm. I just know it's limitations and blind spots. I can discuss any "intellectuals" of any race, break them down, critique them, highlight their strong points, and pick their weak points apart, be they Black: Dr. Cornel West, Dr. Michael Eric Dyson, WEB Dubois, or white: Descarte, John Stuart Mills, Nietchze,sp?, or Christopher Hitchens,(to bring it up to modern times for a moment).

If you can do all that and do it accuratly,then whether you like it are not, your an interllectual in the sense that it was meant!
Good on you!

You know what they say about what happens when u ASS U ME,lol.

Is it that you make an ASS out of U and ME???