Thiis has to be the most embarrasing attempt at a ''face saving'' post EVER aswell as the biggest pile of steaming SHITE I have read on this board....and I have read a lot.

You made an acusation and THIS is your defense of it??

The only points worth responding too are:-

TheDogon Ah. . .so you have invented a defintion that you and everyone else that agrees with you are "intellectual". I see.

Yes I have invented a definiton. as to whether everone else agree...I could give a toss!

Neferkare has his own definiton of interllectual. Look around abit, you will see a number of differnt definitons for 'pro black' too! If you smart enough, you may be able to come up with a few of your own!


TheDogon
Unfortunately, the NOI does not work in this context. The NOI, like almost every other "Black" organization only exists in response to "White" supremacy. You call me "European" in my approach, yet you are the one who claims "we" must think in the abstract. Only in the abstract can one claim "Blacks" can be racist. That they are motivated by a need to be superior to other groups in their prejudice or discrimination. But when one adds "context" and understand the definition of practicality, then one dispenses with such foolishness. African philosophies don't deal in abstracts, they deal in intuitive, empathic ways of communication and thinking.

If you want to think that NOI is an anti-colonial, anti-imperial anti-european capitalistic domination group, that's fine by me. Like I said, I have little problem with the NOI pro black works, I just wonder why under Islam. I have few problems with black supremacy, every other group has it's hardliners.

The idea that africans are incapable of being racist is total 'bull' and offensive. ''Oh those poor blacks, they are incapable of hating another race simply because they (africans) are a simple people too stupid to have the same emotions as other races plus they are at the bottom of the pile and so could only ever be 'picked on' by all the other races on the face of the earth! Those poor,poor africans''

'Bolloxs!

That kind of thinking is out of date.IMO

It was belive that to truly be 'racist' you had to be in a position of power, (whether personal or social) and that black people had no power, so they couldn't be racist only reactonary...things have changed a little since then.

I am totally capable of hating other races, even races that had nothing to do with slavery. Being african doesn't prevent me from forming unfounded sterio-typical views of other races as a group nor does it prevent me from acting on them.

Saying africans can not be racist is 'over intellectualization' and one that makes us 'embrace' being poor 'downtrodden victims' and percieve everyone else as 'powerful abusers' which would explain the constant whining going on here.

TheDogon
.....yet you are the one who claims "we" must think in the abstract. Only in the abstract can one claim "Blacks" can be racist

African philosophies don't deal in abstracts, they deal in intuitive, empathic ways of communication and thinking


WTFf??? (please PLEASE stop....my jaw is starting to hurt now Dogon)

You say abstact like it's a dirty word!

I remeber reading another post by someone else who seemed to have to same 'disgust' at the word. Since when have we had this fear of abstact thought?

Do you actually know what abstact thinking is?
Do you realise what you are REALLY saying when you say 'we don't think abstactly but intuitively'?

I think you and your 'crowd' have you own definiton of 'abstact' if not then I cant help but think that you mistake 'abstact' for 'theoretical' (an other 'old' african ability)! every man made item you see around you began as an abstact thought. Ask any craftsman, and arttist, do they have an idea of what they want to create....and the vast majourity would tell you 'Yes'.

If you wanted to build a house, you would need a vage idea of what it would look like and it purpose. You would need to know the tools you would need and what materials and man power would be require. You would need to know the best place to situate you home, probably not on lions 'hunting ground'. You have even stated building your house yet, but you have thought of all of this.

Right now, this vary process ,'reading, typing, understanding is 'abstract'!

If I type the word 'SPIDER', there is no spider on the screen. the letters do not create a picture of a spider, but yet you know which creature I am drawing refference to. A little image of some type of spider suddenly popped into your mind! How did that happen?

From words, to memory, to images, to understanding......BEHOLD..........ABSTACT THOUGHT!

If our philosophier didn't [color="Red"]''deal in abstracts''[/COLOR] and philosophiers are our greatest thinkers)...then who the hell did? (continued...........)