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13-01-08, 05:37 PM
[quote=Gmahogany777;1455628]
We wouldn't have anything to lose. The only problem is, he has to win first. One of the main considerations in the Democratic party selection of a nominee is how much of a chance the person chosen will have against whatever white male nominee the Republicans are going to nominate. THe Dems have not been in the WHite house in 8 years. There are BLack people here who for good reason, don't believe that white people are going to vote en masse for a Black man for President,(even a Black man they think is "safe" and who makes them feel comfy). There are AA's who believe, rightly or wrongly that to nominate a Black man on the Dem side, is to insure a loss in the General Election. BTW, there are also Black people and white people here, who believe that to nominate Hillary is to insure a loss in the General Election. So it's just a matter of who Dems feel, who is less of a longshot. Some of us, because of our past experience with mighty whitey, feel that Hillary is less of a longshot. To be honest, if there was a white man on the Dem side, who people thought had any chance whatsoever or who wasn't a total dud, Hillary and Obama would be in trouble, because most Dems would vote for the viable white man(Black and white Dems I mean), cause they want to WIN in November. The way I see it, this is probably the year to take a chance and vote for someone Black, because the way I analyze it, as long as the Republicans can prop up a white man with a pulse on their side, that person, is going to become attractive to large numbers of white people(no matter how much of a loser he is) and have a shot at winning against Hillary or Obama, just because he's a white man, and they are not.......Call me cynical, but that's how I see it.
There have been Black candidates on the govenor level, like Doug Wilder in VA, and Tom Bradley in California, who according to the polls should have won HANDILY in those states. Wilder did win, by 1 point, mainly because of the large number of BLack folks in VA. Bradley lost 2 times to unknown, nondescript white candidates, in spite of being a law and order type dude(former police chief), and mayor of Los Angeles for years. White folks supposedly loved Bradley and told pollsters they were going to vote for him. They went into the voting booths and did the exact opposite of what they said they would do. Whites who normally voted for Democrats switched and voted Republican, rather than vote for a N*gger, when it came down to it, in "LIBERAL" California. It happened in other cities/states,as well. The media even gave the phenomenon a name, the "Bradley Effect". It basically means that white people will lie to pollsters about who they are going to vote for,switch and vote for the opposite party that they normally vote for and some more ish, when it comes to voting for a BLack person. Have the masses of white folks changed in that regard? That remains to be seen, but you can understand why a lot of AA's are not banking on that. Once bitten, twice shy, as the saying goes.......
Going with your theory perhaps I guess thats why they (whites) are seemingly as you said supporting Obama now (knowing they will be dumping him soon), who knows...though it might be "safe" to vote for the white choice hillary that will not put off white democrats ,but does that become the lingering legacy for any black/part black aspirants...why should any black/part black person bother to go into politics at all then??
I totally get your point about being bitten, but it does make you wonder what the way forward will be... Miracles can happen, but noone will ever know if they don't try...
Black folks didn't support Arnold in his bid for govenor, to my knowledge he ran as a Republican and most of us are Democrats,,and like I stated before, Arnold can't run for president because he is not native born, that is a law. THere have been some part Black presidents,lol, there is a book called 5 BLack presidents as a matter of fact, and one of them is still living,(most people just don't know it cause they were passing for white, but that's a whole other discussion). The bottom line is, AA's don't have to prove that we will vote for white people, partially white people,partially Black people, or BLack people, we have and will vote for all of the above, we do it everyday. It is WHITE people who have yet to show that THEY will vote for anybody other than a white person in any significant way, in any significant numbers.
I understand your point, but I hope you realised I meant part-black people who were obviously so, "not passing ones" or dare I say ones married to "white women" (like you said that would just start a whole 'nother discussion). Hopefully the whites will vote for him (obviously he needs the bulk)...just that if black people convince themselves not to do it with no faults on his side ,you've said AA have done it all the time and will continue doing it, but the reason we're having this discussion is because some are saying they won't this time and not for the reasons you have given , but scarily random/self depracating reasons...which is fully their choice to exercise come polling day....
Re: Arnold, I wasn't even talking about him becoming president ,I just meant it did him no harm amongst white people like himself that he is essentially a foreigner,and this was in response to what you said about some AA's having an issue with Obama because he wasn't "deep-rootedly cultural" to america though still essentially american enough to have a valid right to go for presidency...
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