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Originally Posted by meknow
Abd:
you are lost when you try to deal with the bible. studying a book does not make you an authority. I have no problem with you trying to discredit christianity, just make sure you let people know that you are a muslim. It will help for them to understand why you are so off although I must admit that there are so called christian preachers who also are as inept as you are.
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For the record: I AM A MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And, proud of it.
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I looked at religion through the eyes of racism a long time ago abd. NIO were selling bean pies and doing some good things but when they started talking doctrine I could not stomach what I was hearing. It had nothing to do with the anything I had learned from white people.
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The Nation of Islam is about the smallest example of Muslims in the entire world. Interesting that you would mention bean pies. At least they have enough sense to remember some of what Al-Hajj Elijah Muhammad tried to teach them. But, when it comes to learning about Islam, the Nation of Islam and the Moorish Science Temples are the last places one should look for knowledge and enlightment. At best, these two groups can be considered off-shoots of Islam. Most Muslims consider them to be outside of Islam altogether.
If you want to know about Islam, there are many very good webpages that give a good summary. Basically, as I have already said many times, just start by studying the Five Pillars of Islam. Do a google search. If you are too lazy to wiggle your index finger a little, you can learn a great deal on the internet. Plus, there are forums such as Aarbmatchmaking.com where good intelligent discussions can be held about Islam. Another good place to study is this one: Islam 101 (
Islam 101).
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Abd you and the NOI are not the only people who have studied the history of blacks in this nation and world wide. You better check a little closer in the back ground of Abe Lincoln bredder. I do know of his ancestry that had color and that his discription is ofter mentioned as dusky or dark. There was some American Indian mixture in his bloodline also. But he was no friend to black people cuz. I will not rub that in your face, don't be so lazy and skim off the top and READ.
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I never said that Lincoln loved Africans. All I said was he is proof that not all Muslims who came to this country were slaves.
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THE DANGER FOR TODAYS ACADEMES ABD IS SEARCH ENGINES ON THE .NET. Young men and women who have access are being drawn into the very thing that they accuse everyone who does not think like them. They trust what comes from the results that fit into their agenda. YOU CAN FIND A WRITTEN PAPER ON ANY SUBJECT YOU WISH TO FIND. NO ONE WANTS TO THINK ANYMORE FOR THEMSELVES BUT TAKE THE WORD OF SOMETHING ELSE.
WHO SET UP THE .NET THAT SO MANY ARE BASING THEIR OPINIONS ON ABD? Know what I used to study now abd? I go to antique book stores and yard sales to find old books.
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A good book is cool. But, if you cannot think clearly, you cannot learn much from books or anything else. What we need to do is learn how to think and analyze. That way, we can learn from sources without getting confused.
Keep in mind that all of the verses that I have quoted here so far have been taken from the internet. The big difference is I know what these verses mean. Some of us have no clear idea of what is being said and the damage that some of these verses do to Africans.
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Just listen to how many of us on here are adamant about our opinion being true because someone wrote a paper that said so. All it takes is a list of authors who agree with our tenet and we use them incessantly and a few more names injected by them. As men become wiser (increased in knowledge) we become weaker (less able to do for ourselves as God intended).
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In the All-African People’s Revolutionary Party, we have a program in which we seriously study African history. This program can qualify a person to really know how to think through these issues, if the person take the program seriously.
For instance, back in the 1970’s, we studied Chancellor Williams. Soon, it became clear to us that Williams was actually causing more confusion than his books were worth. So, we had to remove his books from our study list. But, you know something: I am very glad that I had a chance to read those books because now I know what not to believe. But, some people are just too trifling and lazy to think. If it is not Chancellor Williams, it would be some other liar or fool.
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I also read the Auto biography of Nat Turner abd. Did you read that he was a Christian preacher? Did you read where his owners wife taught him to read the bible?
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I never really paid any undue attention to Nat Turner. But, I did learn that he had enough sense not to buy into that slaves-obey-your-masters non-sense.
You know something, that white woman who taught Brother Nat to read is not the first or the last white woman to know a real man when she sees one.
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As for the bible being many books. all the most to prove it is inspired by God. All the authors down through the different ages approximately 7000 years and they all support each other. and do not have to rewrite it periodically.
One problem for you and the bible abd is your use of the word prophesy. There are no more prophets or need for them. There is the gift of prophesy in the church now aday that operates as God directs that will speak forth. But no more prophets. The word prophet in the NT simply points of a man who speaks forth the written word (bible). nothing else that is to be revealed according to God's Will abd. He will stamp out evil in time and save me as they accept His son Jesus Christ as their Savior.
God contols everything, He allows what He wills, controls what He wills, punishes as He wills and blesses as He wills according to His divine nature with is all righteous. He does not have to do anything except what He desires. His desires are who He is. There are certain things that He can not do because of Who He is.
He has rewarded men and will continue to who have accepted Jesus Christ as their savior. He will future reward these at the Judgement Seat Of Christ for the works done in this body be they good or bad before they enter the Kingdom of Heaven. And He will also reward the unrighteous at the Great White throne judgement for their works prior to them enteriing the lake of fire that burns forever where hell will also reside along with the devil and his angel and they also will be tormented both day and night.
Your anger with slavery and the white race has blinded you from being able to see God.
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Well, I believe that GOD is Truthful when he told Moses that no one can see him and continue to live. Ever read the Books of Moses? Even Moses never “saw” GOD. All he was able to see was the Glory of GOD, not GOD.
Muhammad never “saw GOD. Revelation first came to Muhammad by way of an the Angel Gabriel. There were additional means by which Qur’an was Revealed to Muhammad. But, none of them involved Muhammad(Peace and Blessings be upon him) seeing GOD. Now, Saint Paul may have had spiritual experience in which he saw a vision, even a vision of Jesus. Or he may have had a vision of GOD’s Glory. But, every intelligent human being must know that Saint Paul never “saw” GOD.
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Anger that ruleth a man's heart will cause even his family to suffer and keep him far from the truth.
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What makes me “angry” is ignorance.
Al-Hajj Imam Malik Al-Shabazz (Malcolm X) explained this problem is very clear terms. What I am talking about is this "hate" you worry about so much.
Brother Malcaolm said there were two kinds of slaves on the plantation, a house slave and a field slave. The house slave ate high on the hog. The master would give him left over bacon and ham. The house slave did not have to work hard. He would cook breakfast for the master, sweep a couple of floors and dust the coffee tables. Then he would go sit on his fat behind and take a nap until lunchtime when tyhe master came home to eat.
The house slave loved the master. If the master's house caught on fire, the house slave would be the first running to get water to put the fire out. If the master caught a cold and started coughing and sneezing the house slave would say "What's the matter master? Are
we sick?" Are
we sick? Can yo imagine such insanity? That is a slave who is out of his mind. Are
we sick?
The other kind of slave was the field slave. The field slave had to work all day long in the hot sun. He would wwork from before day light until after sun down. When he got home at night to his wife, he was too tired to love his wife and children, much less love the slave master.
If the master's house caught of fire, the field slave was no where to be found. If the fiels slave did not actually sart the fire himself, once it got sarted, he would pray to GOD for a wind to blow and spread it into the work fields and burn down everything so he would not have to go to work for a few days. When the master got sick, it was usually because some field slave had sneaked some poison into his food. As some as word would get that the master was sick, all of the field slvaes would start praying "Oh Lord. Make sure that that fool dies. Please Lord. Do not let that fool wake up". See, the field slave hated slavery and hated the slave master.
But, I understand why some Africans love the master so much. But, I do not understand why the house slave do not understand why we hate the master so much.
There are too many house slaves running around today.