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Originally Posted by Gmahogany777
You think Tiger looks more Black than Gates? How? I've seen and known plenty of Black men that look like Gates, some in my family. THere is nothing a-typical about the way he looks as BLack folks go. Tiger looks Asian to me. He looks like plenty of Black Amerasians who were the product of Black Asian mixes, like AMerie, Sonja Sohn from the Wire, etc. You see them a lot in the Black community in America so he's not unique(I grew up with plenty of them in the DC area, Black Fillipino mix, usually), but that's not a TYPICAL Black American look. If I passed Gates on the street, I wouldn't think twice about his racial background.
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What I mean is Louis Gates is obviously black,and Tiger woods has more black features than him.
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First off, you should never confuse the way white people view/treat Biracial or even "fully Black' celebrities, with how they treat regular everyday Biracials and non Bi racial Blacks. White people will often bestow "honorary white" status on Blacks who have become very successful at something, whether they are bi racial or fully Black. White rock establishment people routinely talk about how they don't really see Jimi Hendrix as Black,(though he had 2 Black parents and came out of the Black Blues music scene, played with the Isley bros, etc). That's just something they do, so they can take credit for whatever the accomplishment is. That is not something that is extended to non famous, non rich, non accomplished bi racials,lol.
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Why not? They created the one drop rule not blacks. I think being black is more than skintone or which catagorey they place you in. For the mixed race or biracials who want to think they can be black or forced to because of the one drop rule . I mean AA, and blacks in the UK from the caribbean or Africa have a history and culture/s. Some of the mixed race and biracial people who grew up in and learn that culture are the ones who are treated as black. Anybody else is seen as other or whatever.
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Even with Tiger's father not wanting him to identify with being Black and Tiger's proclamation of Caublasianess, and white folks supposedly not seeing him as BLack, his white golfing peer, and his white female friend commentator, still haven't been able to refrain from making comments about him that prove that they do indeed see him as Black, even as barely BLack as he is. I assume that you mean that TIger was beaten up and called monkey by white people, as a child. THat would seem to support my argument that even someone as barely Black as Tiger, is VIEWED AND TREATED as BLack, by most whites, at least until they become rich and famous, and even then, it will rear it's head now and then.
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What I'm trying to say is culture is more important than which catagory whites place him in. He doesn't see himself as black. Most AA don't see him as AA. Whites see his pigment and place him with AAs. If Tiger was grew up like Halle Berry or UK singer Miss Dynamite, who both were raised by white mothers who took up black studies(in the case of ms dynamites mother) with a black experience. So hes cablinasian even if whites treat him as black.
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You're comments about Blacks passing over to the other side, like the dude from AA LIves 2, PROVES my point. If the majority of white AMerica didn't view AND treat biracial Blacks or just Blacks with copius amounts of white blood as Black, why would those who LOOKED TO THE NAKED EYE LIKE WHITE PEOPLE, feel the need to PASS for white? Why not just exist in AMerica looking like a white person, but not hide your Black background/blood. These very white looking "Black people", felt the need to pass BECAUSE once white people knew you had ANY Black in you, it was a WRAP. It didn't matter that you LOOKED white. BTW, it wasn't BIRACIALS who soley, or even typically passed, historically. If by biracial, you mean persons with 1 white and 1 Black parent. The majority of people who passed had 2 Black parents. They may have had 2 Black parents with lots of white blood, or they may have had white blood from further back in their fam. THat's why it wasn't uncommon for ONE sibling to be able to PASS and the other one NOT to able to Pass, like the dude from AA LIves 2. These people were completely and TOTALLY rooted in the Black community.
Just because some one has a white parent doesn't automatically mean they will look white enough to pass, and just because someone may have 2 Black parents(because remember even VERY lightskinned white featured people with minimal Black blood were considered Black and were likely to be part of the Black community), doesn't mean that they won't look white enough to pass. THat's why this issue is so complex and not solved by easy or glib conclusions. There are any number of Black people from families where there is NO recent white relative, that have been able to pass in this country, OR that look as white or more white than some people who have 1 Black parent and 1 white parent.
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My point is America was big with the one drop rule and some of the people who pass into white or hispanic don't feel black regardless of the ODR. People who had a white parent aswell as those with 2 tried to pass and are still doing so. Like Sally Hemings and others. Whereever you live culture and connection to it has more to do than someones skintone or how white people see you. America is a perfect example.