Sargaco - sorry, my misuse of the word 'you', wasn't directed at you personally at all - whoever the cap fits.

Again depends what you are defending and the mind behind it. My children live without me, I have no control over how they are being raised mainly because I aint into no half daddy nastiness, the raising I need to do can't be done part time...it's part time enough with other commitments much more outside of a family unit. So if my children end up in prison or dead before their time I still see this as a lesser evil to having had them aborted or not born in wedlock because either way you look at it no outcome or consequence is guaranteed but I do agree there are better odds in one pool than the other....guess it's my time to throw a bit of caution to the wind, a bit like sexing a one night stand bare back.

I fully appreciate in these times why people have choices and should make the best choice of that. I'm a firm believer in marriage but can fully understand why many would rather not but when you have African militants telling you marriage is for white people and women saying they choose not to have children because they tie you down then this is completely different, these people are scapegoating children for their own selfish reasons.