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Originally Posted by meknow
abd,
once again cousin you are jumping to conclusions. i never said that hagar was nt the mother of the arab people as the bible says. i only cited what thet bible said in that scripture and the fact that she was a maid was in there. no big deal. god uses what some sees as 'little people' to do big things.
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But, you are absolutely incorrect. What you are failing to recognize is that everything changes. True, at one point she was not Abaraham's wife (Peace and Blessings be upon him and her). But, the Bible clearly says in virttaully every translation that Hagar became his
WIFE. Why try and twist and deny this fact? The truth is Hagar (Peace and Belssings be upon her) is probably the greatest woman in human history, excepting perhaps Eve (Peace and Blessings be upon her), the Queen Mother of the whole human race.
This is crucially important. It is important because we live in a time and place when we must re-learn to respect African women. Hagar (Peace and Blessings be upon her) was an African woman. And, she is clearly greater than even Mary, Mother of Jesus. So, please do not try to deminish her by calling her "little people". She was in fact a great woman. Muslims recignize this simple fact. All Muslims from all parts of the world and from all cutures and ethnic groups venerate Hagar (Peace and Blessings be upon her). It seems that only misguided Christians and zionists have a problem. But, denying this obvious fact will in no way cahneg the fact that at least 25% of the world's population is committed to venerating Mother hagar (Peace and blessings be upon her)
hagar is cool with me.
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as far as you accepting Jesus as just a prophet. you missed it sir. He is the son of God.
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Prove it. Show us one verse where Jesus (Peace and Blessings be upon him) claimed such.
The old testament which you revere and place higher than the new is about the 5 books of the law, the 12 books of history, 5 poetry, 5 major prophets and 12 minor prophets.
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All of which point to Jesus' coming to save mankind. God in the flesh. Manifesting His love for man and His hatred for sin. This is why you miss the point of who God is.
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My friend, please understand how offensive it is to a Muslim to have anyone or anything compared to GOD. Qur'an explicitly warn us againsat such foolishness.
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You can not phantom an awesome God taking the step he did to save man. How He humbled Himself and took on the nature of man and yet sinned not and died for men to pay the price for sin, DEATH and pure blood.
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What you are talking about here is nothing more or less than the paganistitic notion of blood sacrifice. Islam is against blood sacrifice.
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your vision of a ruler of king would be if he choose 50 subjects to sacrifice instead of Himself.
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Any blood sacrifice is paganism. It does not matter how many are murdered. All murder is wrong and unacceptable.
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God is far above your ideals and disdain for His choice. At one time before I read the bible I wanted to be a Jew, thinking that it must be wonderful being of the tribe by which Jesus came.
But when I learned of the afflictions of the Jews because they were choosen and disobedient I shudder that I ever thought such. more jews per capita will go to hell than any other nation on earth.
no prophet is greater than his prophesy
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No man is comparable to GOD:
Al Ikhlâs
Surah 112. The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah
112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Qul huwa Allahu ahadun
112:2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
Allahu alssamadu
112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
Lam yalid walam yooladu
112:4 And there is none like unto Him.
Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahadun