so shemsi it takes less intellect to believe in God without logical precepts...in fact you point out that this should be seen and ignorance i think you said. hmmmmm

and on the other hand it could go either way.....hmmmmmm let me digest this bredder.

bl, you are blaming the europeans again.

although I can master myriads of stuff to my recall and understand it all, yet if i can not understand the power of creation i know nothing. all knowledge begins there.

here is where you and i agree shemsi, all the stuff we solve in between is meaningless unless we can logically see the "first cause", the prime movement, the impetus...ect....

logic does not my friend disprove the existance of God, it shows how shallow some men are and fearful to go beyond logic.

logics limits and places you in the proverbial box...