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Fred Wrote:

"...just been around a while to have seen these things before; and was also invovled once in supporting the wrong side during the civil war in Angola. So experience teacheth wisdom..."

I'm intrigued, but which side did you support and at what stage of the war?

South Africa blames UK for Zimbabwe crisis


· Report attacks Britain as main protagonist
· Harare opposition denies view agreement is near

Chris McGreal, Africa correspondent
Monday August 13, 2007
The Guardian



South Africa has blamed Britain for the deepening crisis in Zimbabwe by accusing the UK of leading a campaign to "strangle" the beleaguered African state's economy and saying it has a "death wish" against a negotiated settlement that might leave Robert Mugabe's Zanu-PF in power.

According to a South African government document circulating among diplomats ahead of a regional summit this week, President Thabo Mbeki will paint an optimistic picture of his efforts to broker an agreement between Mr Mugabe and the Zimbabwean opposition.


But the document, a draft of the report the South African president is expected to present at the meeting, says Britain remains a significant obstacle by spearheading sanctions that Mr Mugabe blames for his country's economic collapse.

"The most worrisome thing is that the UK continues to deny its role as the principal protagonist in the Zimbabwean issue and is persisting with its activities to isolate Zimbabwe," the report says.

"None of the western countries that have imposed the sanctions that are strangling Zimbabwe's economy have shown any willingness to lift them."

Britain pressed the European Union to impose "targeted sanctions" against Zimbabwe's leadership by refusing visas, freezing bank accounts and other measures that the UK said were aimed at individuals without harming Zimbabweans.

But Mr Mugabe has blamed what he describes as the "illegal sanctions" for the economic collapse and said his government is a victim of British imperialism because it seized white-owned farms for redistribution to poor blacks.

His opponents say the crisis is the result of a brutal strategy to hold on to power by violently suppressing the opposition, rigging elections and trying to buy support by seizing the farms. This last move devastated the tobacco export industry that provided Zimbabwe with much of its foreign earnings.

The wholesale printing of money helped fuel inflation now estimated to be running at about 20,000%. Shops are virtually empty of basic foodstuffs.

Some African leaders have been willing to criticise Mr Mugabe, although a Zambian opposition leader, Michael Sata, urged the region's leaders to "join hands and launch strong protests against attempts by the west to recolonise Zimbabwe".

The South African report describes the crisis as "Zimbabwe's bilateral dispute with Britain". However, the focus of Mr Mbeki's efforts is to reach an agreement between Mr Mugabe and the opposition Movement for Democratic Change ahead of elections next year.

Mr Mbeki has not had a smooth ride. Mr Mugabe's two negotiators, both cabinet ministers, failed to arrive for talks in South Africa last month. The ministers, Nicholas Goche and Patrick Chinamasa, finally arrived in Pretoria a week ago.

The document says some issues, including constitutional reforms, have been "worked out". "There are strong indications that the two sides are sliding towards an agreement," it says.

But MDC sources say that agreement is not near and they suspect that Mr Mugabe is playing for time until the end of the year when the focus will shift to the presidential election campaign. Meanwhile, the economic crisis is expected to deepen. More than 3 million Zimbabweans have left the country in search of work.

South Africa blames UK for Zimbabwe crisis | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited

Mugabe 'seems' to be playing his hand quite well.

He is a 'wanted' man.

Not in the sense of dead or alive.

He may be one part to an amazing puzzle of who will triumph in that section of Africa.


I see that Mugabe is getting the European Union to court him so much to make UK Britian jealous in a sense.

So far Mugabe has at his disposal is time.

The European Union is financing his time. He knows time will be up soon so he is pressing UK Britian to take him back but with negotiation being determined by himself.

Its a plan but I think he may not have an alternative.

If I figured this one out then British intelligensia has too.

But this is a chance for the EU to start taking territory. That may include South Africa in the nearby future.

Its all up to Mugabe...

[quote]"Hatred of white people"? That is non-sense of the first order. I commune with my brothers and sisters in Zimbabwe. And, so far, I have never even heard one even mention white people.

Today I surfacing about studying Zimababwe government ministires' webpages with the hope of investing my own money in the Zimbabwe Revolution. For the first time, I noticed the Zimababwe colors. Check this one out:

The Ministry

Notice the black in center with red on both sides and gold on both side of that and green on the two extermes? Do you know what that means? Let me run it down for you.

Traditioanlly, the tri-colorsd of Africa are red, black and green. It was the Garvey Movement that first establsihed this. The black stands for the people of Africa. The red stands for blood that was shed in the slavetrade and colonial domination. The green stands for the beautiful green and fertile lands of Africa.

This is what really irrtates the enemies of Africa: When Ghana became independents, the people added the gold color to represent the natural wealth of Africa, the economic potential of Africa and the ideology of industrialism of Africa. What all this adds up to is Pan-Africanism. These colors are the colors of the African Revolution. Thus, by simply viewing Zimbabwe's colors we know that ZANU-PF from the vefry beginning saw itself as being at the vangauard on the African Revolutiion.

Comrade Robert Mugabe is an old man. He will not live forever. So why keep attacking him and lying on him? It will do the enemy no good when he dies. There are millions who stand ready to carry the Revolution forward.

Every African in the world ought to just take $5-10 and send it to Zimbabwe. Send it to the nearest consulate office. We are all in this together. If the Revolution fails in Zimbabwe, we will all suffer.

Here is a good project to support: Ujamma Home. I wll be announcing another one as soon as I can complete the paperwork.

LONG LIVE ZIMBABWE!
LONG LIVE THE AFRICAN REVOLUTION!
LONG LIVE THE NATION!

Well although I believe Mugabe is a crazy dictator, I will say that the idea of returning land to the original Black owners is fair, even though he did it in the wrong way. The right way would have been to make sure that the Blacks who got land knew or were trained on how to farm it so that it remained productive.

Now you have a situation in Zimbabwe where Blacks are literally starving to death or fleeing the country in droves. Mismanagement to the max.

Perhaps the South African government can come up with a sensible way to return land to Blacks there. I don't understand why Blacks in South Africa feel that they have to keep Whites around. Let the Dutch leave and go back to their countries where they belong.

The Revolution is not about kicking anybody out. It is about being fair and just to everybody. The peace treaty that ended the war in Zimbabwe required the British and the other westerners to pay the European farmers. If they do not get paid, it is not our fault. But, paying them would be the right thing to do. So, call on YOUR government to do what it agreed to do.

Got a couple of friends from that land and both say Mugabe has lost the plot.