@DM

are you having a laugh?

It is like Rosa Parks boycotting the buses........then sleeping with same white bus driver that told her to sit at the back.

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Martin Luther King............banned from great list

Monkey and Soofresh..

I will not stop acknowledging his work for the civil rights movement.....but i will not have any respect for him as i have for people like Lumumba or Garvey.....he has proven himself to be the leader of the faint hearted and lukewarm black people.....and i think those are the majority in our community, and look how bad we are doing.......it makes you think doesn't it??

I am sorry but even Franz Fanon who wrote great works of black literature was honest enough to confess why he felt the need to lust after white women....which was that he was weak and self loathing, so lets not even give any excuses about human weakness....MLK's message of *lets get all together* and sing kumbaya has never sat well with me.....because i fail to see how a conscious African man can wake up to our realities and call for dreams of holding hands with whites.......its just doesn't make sense to me at all...thats because the man was busy kissing their daughters to get his head up to the real realities of us Africans worldwide.......he is one of those man that i say did what he did because his people put him there.....not because he had the stamina or balls that say Lumumba or Machel had.....

Even me i accept that no matter what i will do for my people, if when i was doing all those works i wassleeping with the enemies, i expect you all to just bury me with my glory....i do not deserve to sit next to our greatest....simple!

Long live our greatest, but MLK is not certainly mine...sorry

Dimoke

well written

I had to add

if this is just an average black dude.........then who cares

but the point is 1) he is married to a black women who stood by him through thick and thin 2) is aware of the racists of white people

so what was his excuse.......he cant say his wife is loud and crankerous and hence he had to look somewhere else.......his wife is remarkable

you see IMAGE is important.............

you could be the biggest anti-drug campaigner in the world........opening centres every where to help drug addicts.............but you take drugs............doesnt make sense.



so sorry

MLK..............is top shoter sellout...............no different from the rest of coconuts, ministrials, oreos or whatever,

if i was his wife , i would have divorced his ass and left the KKK to find him in bed with "their" women.

he is banned.

LOL

Board,

A great man is one who can not only "talk the talk,but who can walk the walk"A great man is one who can lay out a plan and lead other to help follow thru on a social movement for change.

As for MLK Jr. haters.Not to let out too much of my personal affairs.All I will say is that several family members went to the same college as he.One woman (black BTW) wrote a book about his alleged affars. A lot of it was first person and not verifiable.

I'm surprised at how silly some of you sound.You'll pull out CONTELPRO,CIA,FBI and every other group caused harm in Africa.But if its MLK ,you accept it without pause. Stories were planted and informants paid to make up all sorts of lies.Trust me on that.

MLK's leadership style is copied the world over.Why in the long run it can save more lives than armed revolution that kills millions and sees only a small handful if the revolution is successful.

It had flaws for sure.He was coming around to economic changes andspeaking out on the Vietnam War which probably got him killed.

He had flaws,but that does not in any way shape or form detract from the monumentual change he brought about in 20th century America that's tangible everyday here.Its easy to talk shit about "his being soft" and all that.ButAmerica if nothing else is a nation of laws.He used those laws to bring about change.That in itself made him great.He mobilized a nation to look inside itself andanswer some fundamental questions.

To answer dimoke analysis.

Malcolm X: I've studied and written about him in school.Met his brother in Washington DC.He gave great speeches, but did not leave a legacy. Blacks peoples lives did not improve because he lived or thru his actions.

Marcus Garvey: Again he gave us dignity thru the UNIA via speeches and parades.He pushed Black businiess but he put himself above the masses and enriched himself and allowed the movement to be co-opted by sinking money into ill-gotten misadventures like the Black Star Line.

Lumumba -Sometimes people measure the potential and not the results.

MLK will be a great man as far as AA's are concerned because he fought for our freedom to #1 be recognized as full human beings in this country. For this the UNARMED man gave his life. Lumumba and Garvey, for what ever they did, did not come to the US to take on the evil powers that be for my future.

Did he cheat on his wife? Sure. Did he cheat with white women? Some people say yes, some people say no. Depends on who is interviewed at the time. Something MLK took to his grave and maybe his wife knows. Shabazz also slept with white women as well. The only difference is that he did it earlier in life and did not cheat on his wife, but then again some people say that he was bisexual. So do we judge the men on what they did for the African American community as a whole or their personal sins? Shabazz is looked upon as a hypocrite by his own Nation of Islam by the old guard instead of as a great man that he is proclaimed by others. Does that make him a great man or not and by whose standards?

Or do we judge these men by the effect they had on society? If we started looking at the skeletons in Garvey's closet, what would we find if we scrutinized hard enough? Probably the same thing in that we would find in a lot of people's closet on this board, IF WE LOOKED HARD ENOUGH. For you to put someone upon a pedastal as a demi-god and knock them down because of their human shortcomings is not fair to any person. For us to not recognize that all of these "great" men had shortcomings is not being mature enough to recognize that these men had their oen personal faults and demons. It comes with being human. Some prob

@ Dimoke

MLK chose the hold hands with America route because that was the only way as a preacher he could effectively communicate his cause to play on the morality of "Christians" in this country. If we held hands as equals, we would all be one united country. Sure that cannot play out in Africa, but considering we are in a land where we are only 10% and scattered out across it small sections, that is the only effective route we can take. If we had taken X's early route by any means necessary, all I can tell you is to look up black wall street in 1921 as well as ruby ridge and the FBI. MLK was smart enough to know that this government can be more ruthless than you could ever think it could be and a black versus white war here would have only resulted in our demise.

Actually, I don't think MLK could be anyone outside of the US' greatest because most of his work effects us here. Without him I doubt today that we would enjoy the civil freedoms that we have here.

@ SoooFresh

You should care if it is just the average black dude, because what if he was thrust to the front of the black leadership limelight and did great things. Then we would be looking at his transgressions in light of all the positive things he did that outweighs his bad decisions. After all, all of our leaders started out as average black guys.

But to sound like Real Brother, if they would have known about the ways of selling out then, maybe they could be looked up as Demi Gods as some of us try to make them.

MLK was for civil rights.......equality for all.............

no excuse for cheating on his wife.... but that does not make him a sell out to his race...he stood up and spoke out for all people...especially his own people..

do some research before u jump on a hate bandwagon....



civil rights
pl.n.


The rights belonging to an individual by virtue of citizenship, especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and by subsequent acts of Congress, including civil liberties, due process, equal protection of the laws, and freedom from discrimination.




http://www.thekingcenter.org/

I find it ironic that several posters are quick to dismiss MLK but uplift Nelson Mandela.Mandela has stated publicly that in the early 60's when the ANC was fighting the apartied government , it was MLK model that he incoporated to a degree in his fight.

Also to changes he did were sesmic in America.He helped mold a place though fseriously flawed where people of African desent has reached a standard of living that's unmatched on Earth.Far far from perfect ,but a hell of lot better from what it was.

The Martin Luther King Jr. America has ignored

By Patrick W. Gavin

WASHINGTON – On Monday, the United States will celebrate the life of Martin Luther King Jr. with a federal holiday. We will hear stories of his battles with segregation, his eloquent speech in Washington, and his fight for voting rights. This is the King with whom America is comfortable. These are the aspects of his life that we embrace and honor - because they are the safe parts.

America's commemoration of King's vision is only partial. King's life encompassed more than simply his moving rhetoric and desegregated lunch counters. The politics King espoused toward the end of his life - and the part that America has effectively ignored - may provide some invaluable lessons, given the current international climate.

King became a vocal critic of US foreign policy, denouncing America's "giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism," and calling the US "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today." Across the globe, from Vietnam to Asia to Latin America, King believed the US was "on the wrong side of a world revolution."

What, then, would King make of our current war on terrorism? Although terrorism poses historically new and unique threats, communism in King's time presented an equally menacing peril. As a man who told his followers to "love your enemies," it is doubtful that he would embrace the war fever that has gripped this nation since Sept. 11, 2001. How to reconcile King's belief in "turning the other cheek" with President Bush's doctrine of preemptive strikes?

It is equally unlikely that King, who warned that "a nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death," would support the huge price tag of our war with Iraq, especially when Iraq's link to the events of Sept. 11 is nebulous at best, and when there are serious economic concerns at home.



http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0116/p11s01-coop.html

Safety and BS....i understand your point and i respect your stand.

Like i said, i acknowledge his importance to civil right movement, and respect him for that.....but i do not feel any afliation with the man, perhaps because his stance is not really appealing to me.....but point taken about your opinions.

imagine

baby sooofresh:"mummy i heard a guy called MLK, he is a civil right person"

sooofresh: "the guy is OKAY, he helped with unity and ahem "spreading love", yeah whats the speach " I have a dream".............

baby sooofresh " mummy I heard he is a family man, married with 4 kids just like you and daddy mummy"

sooofresh; "LOL, sure he is.............sure he loved to* integrate* with white people"but darling, here is a book on Malcolm X, now he is great, he did not put a FRONT, he recognized his weakness and corrected it................not going back to it and being a sell out, so look at him not MLK...................Okay!"

baby sooofresh "okay mummy"

moral of story...............................the value of a great man STARTS AT HOME............if you want to act as a white womans whore then nothing else will berespected...........a leader is respected, and i have lost respect for him

MLK...........banned

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@SoooFresh

:? So you are saying that he would be cool with you if he had cheated on his wife with black women?