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“If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning.
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Dachiefette and Kiley: This is REALLY the wrong place to be pushing your agenda. This site is about encouraging more Black relationships in opposition to all the IR. You really won't find an audience or sympathy for your views here.
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I'm discussing things thatare common sense not pushing any agenda.I'll Private message other things. from thethread view numbers blktype the audienceisabit large and some love this type of t.v. show drama.
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13-12-06, 10:31 PM
by "audience" i meant a whole lot of people willing to stand up and publicly state they agree with your views. As for numbers viewing the thread, everyone loves a car crash...
YOU ARE NOT DEFINED BY OTHER PEOPLES\' OPINION OF YOU!! ;0)
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13-12-06, 10:33 PM
Here's a tip kiley just keep your 'common sense' to yourself ok!!
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why have over 50% of the black men in this country with non black partners given up on us??
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I seriously would love to know where you got this statistic from. First of all I would like to know where they got the sample for this and if they managed to reach every African male (some people forget that statistics are based on a subjective interpretation of what a representative sample is)
By the way how many of these brothers are actually married to caucasians and how many are just sleeping around and having meaningless relationships until they get with a sister later on. I really think these stats have been grossly exaggerated.
Not an attack by the way. No offence intended.
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Yeah...I have heard this 50% figure being thrown around the so-called black community for the last couple of years. However, I didn't take it seriously since I didn't SEE IT translatedto the streets. However, in the interest of science I did some research (took all of 5 minutes) and I believe I found the source of this myth. There are at least two lessons to be learned here:
- Do the research before you open your mouth
- The selective use and interpretation of statistics can be used to distort reality.
Go here: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=1090&Pos=1&ColRank=2&Ran k=384
Note: These people, who chose to classify themselvesas 'Other Black', represent 10% (97,585), of all people classified as black residing in the UK.
Source: Census - England and Wales 29 April 2001
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Yeah...I have heard this 50% figure being thrown around the so-called black community for the last couple of years. However, I didn't take it seriously since I didn't SEE IT translatedto the streets. However, in the interest of science I did some research (took all of 5 minutes) and I believe I found the source of this myth. There are at least two lessons to be learned here:
- Do the research before you open your mouth
- The selective use and interpretation of statistics can be used to distort reality.
Go here: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=1090&Pos=1&ColRank=2&Ran k=384
Note: These people, who chose to classify themselvesas 'Other Black', represent 10% (97,585), of all people classified as black residing in the UK.
Source: Census - England and Wales 29 April 2001
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Greetings, Im Hotep
Thank you for that. I was hoping someone knew what I was talking about. Statistics are probably the most misused mathmatical resource there is. It is frequently used to distort the truth simply because they know in the media that the average person will not know how to discern true stats from twisted political stats unless they have done some subject to do with maths and scientific research (maths, sociology, psychology etc) at an a-level or higher. Conversely the person could be a person who does their own primary research and has looked up statistical analysis (most people into history seriously). Something I see a lot here is people throwing around stats when they haven't bothered to look at the sample, how it was taken and also how the target group was defined (as you will find they are beginning to use the anyone who is not "white" is "black" talk in this country meaning soon it may not even be Africans they are referring to.
What we have as a serious problem in our community is an absence of people who are doing their own research before they have these discussions and it causes a lot of confusion and disheartenment when it is not needed. Sistas need not bother thinking our men are leaving them in droves, that is a statistical trick that is being used against us as Africans. we still love you sisters.
Again Sa-Ptah, thank you and may blessings of peace and serenity befall you.
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14-12-06, 01:45 AM
@Sa Ptah...On the money about the use and abuse of stats when it comes to black people generally and African-Caribbean people specifically. The most authorative source regarding interacial marriages are the National Household Surveys by the Policy Studies Institute (PSI). All forms of data collection of this type have many fundamental problems which affects their accuracy. PSI methods has a standard deviation of anything from 0.9-3.0 which is signficant.
Also we have to remember that these surveys cover areas where black people are not a significant number of the population to areas where we are dense in number. Equally, its merges generational and demographic issues as I mentioned. So those old black men of early generation in places like Liverpool etc are treated in the same way as some youth with his white ting. Then you have things like what to do with the Other category, including mixed race people as mentioned. These things heavily distort the data or how it can be interpretated because as you said. When I check most brothers I know young or old from my manor they aint got white girls.
I have never been to any social function or rave where fifty percent of brothers have white girls even in Liverpool and Manchester and them places where that stuff is deep.
I am involved in a tussle right now and was very recently at a conference where a brother who is well known Lee Japser claimed that black women have the highest experience of domestic violence which was the worse thing he could have said in my pressence. In fact he said it was six times higher than that of white women. This is the kind of shit that goes on every day and this was an international criminology conference.
Unfortunately for my old mucker Jasper I challenged him raw and said his data or claims were false and I would like him to break down the specific ethnic groups included in that general category. He then got defensive and said his organisation used the CRE standard which was bollocks because he did not give any figures for say Black African, African-Caribbean, Mixed race, just black. And he must really think we are idiots for anyone who knows anything serious about masculinity theory and cultures, or domestic violence literature and research or policing whether it is practically or theoretically to not see through that shit. How many black women's refuges have you heard of compared to the whole heap of Asian ones.
In fact my research shows that African-Caribbean women have the lowest experience of domestic violence at any range or level and Asians the worse. And as I told him I would bet my life and those of my unborn children that a whole heap of the women included in that category of black are not only Asian, but African immigrants or refugees. Women with weak legal status are historically subject to serious abuse of all sorts. So a recent Somalia women who may not even see herself as African or Black is pushed in to push up the figures. For what purposes you may ask yourself and answer it as quickly.
In fact the most authoritative data source in policing the British Crime Survey for 2004 said 4.5 white women, 4.6 Black women and kiss my black arse Asians women were only 4.1. Really? That is why you can go back and find so many dead and murdered Asian and White women, but very few black women from domestic violence.
In fact more black women have died from gun crime in a short period than all the black women together in the last several decades from domestic violence. So who are these people fooling? But check this even the British Crime Survey the most authorative source on any issue related to crime, which uses a bogus general category of 'Black' which probably includes my pet cat in it as well. Only found one percent difference between black and white women, while this jackarse Jasper is telling people our women are six times at greater risk of violence from men than any other.
Oh by the way if you want more joke if one assumes even if his figures were true that because a black woman is a victim the perpetrator is a man is also a false assumption, because these women represent the broad scope of women with men of all colours. But when the fire out those figures most people naturally assume. Black woman, Black man. No wrong there.
The joke is and this is a diversion I worked this out without examining data many years ago by basic experience of how men operate but more importantly understanding culture and important differences between cultures and the likelyhood of particular forms of violence based on that.
But statistics is a key weapon used by our enemies to harm us and why we need intelligent and educated people who can tear that shit up and see through it in their sleep.
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14-12-06, 03:46 AM
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Dachiefette and Kiley: This is REALLY the wrong place to be pushing your agenda. This site is about encouraging more Black relationships in opposition to all the IR. You really won't find an audience or sympathy for your views here.
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I'm discussing things thatare common sense not pushing any agenda.I'll Private message other things. from thethread view numbers blktype the audienceisabit large and some love this type of t.v. show drama.
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I think that article you posted was a farce, and the woman who wrote it has an agenda and she's one of those black women that are an embarrassment black people.smoking-devil
btw are you mixed race?
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14-12-06, 07:43 AM
Hmmm yeah I love me a whiteman, can't get enough of them. Prefer the ones that look like Jon B mmmm hmmm. Waking up next to that pasty white skin every morning just does something for the soul you know, I don't get the same feeling when I'm with a blackman. Blackmen just wanna use and abuse me but a whiteman treats me like a goddess, I can see the love in his eyes when I serve him swine for breakfast.
Yep I'm reading this thread laughin into my weetabix thinking what the hell? But I really shouldn't let it faze me cos BP's analogy don't apply to me. I know how I treat my blackmen, shame I can't say the same for how some blackmen treat me.
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