Shemsi en Tehuti wrote:

LOL you always try to put a little spin on a topic when you're being called on it.

fort5 wrote: Well, what would you expect? The child needs to come first; accept that or move on.

Love, marriage, sex, children. In that order. It worked for millenia.

101stAirborne wrote: in theory

Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: Needs to be discussed!.....Needs to be discussed!

What, this stupid inflammatory bile of a list needs to be discussed?

You can't be serious surely?

By the way the last bit about "at least with an understanding that many men think this way and that it isn't fair to the women. This is what dialogue is about" is a feeble attempt at putting some kind of 'stamp of justification' on something you should have read, kiss your teeth at, and left on the Under 13's website you found it on.

Sure, by all means discuss - in a mature, constructive and sensible fashion - the issue of broken relationships/homes; kids being brought up without the proper balance of male (father) and female (mother) input and the 'potential' social issues arising therefrom; discuss why many of us (men and women) seem more locked into 'having a good time by doing a 'ting' at every given opportunity without a thought of the ramifications of easy-come-easy-go behaviour which canlead to the 'creation of life'; discuss why many men think it's a sign of manhood to be able to bag as much p**sy as physically possible in a given day with little thought of the consequences.

Discuss any or all of these critical issues that areimportant to thestructure and fabric of our communities our society, our world even - yeah I am up for that.

BUT DISCUSS THIS FOOLISH NOT-EVEN-FIT-FOR-THE-SUN-NEWSPAPER-JUVENILE-CRAP?

YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!

Respect

DSP wrote: It worked in fact. Illigitimacy wasw almost unheard of in the Black community up until the late '60's early'70's

101stAirborne wrote: LOL 'Illigitimacy' as you call it has been here for thousands of years way before and all through the 60's and 70's in all communities. Jesus himself was born before his parents were married, Joseph almost didn't marry Mary. Sailors, soldiers, merchants left children all over the globe and this continues today. I'm not justifying it but you shouldn't fall for the perception of black people being the face if children born to unmarried parents. Nothing new under the sun and it's not some new phenomenon.

DSP wrote: ITs been here no doubt, but not nearly a fracton of what it is now, especially among Blacks. Btw, you comment on the St. Mary and St Joseph is completelt false,reread the Biblical Book of Matthew and the the Immaculate Conception.

Oh fckin' please, people.

Of course this is the thanks (and I use the word loosley) that single mothers get. Of course single mothers have to deal with these stigmas.

Women have the option to have sex and (consequentially) have children. The man whose child a woman bears does not suddenly become a dickhead after he finds out he is to become a father. He was worthless before the fact. Any woman who doesn't notice this and ultimately mothers this man's children is at fault.

Yeah, it takes two. However, the woman is the gatekeeper. It's not like some man hypnotizes a woman into sex against her will.

That's why the single mother gets slander. Don't complain that "mothers of the earth" get slandered. Men get it twice as worse.

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Oh and I suppose it's as clear cut as that all the time!:?
I dont even know why I'm replying to you.