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Default Isis Papers - 19-05-08, 11:58 AM

Anyone (you probably all have right???) checked out "The Isis Papers," by Frances Cress Welsing?...I'm 1/3 of the way through.

If you have read it what did you think? already this book is helping me re-define how I look at things and it's taught me that even though we all are suppposed to be 'higher lifeforms' on this planet how subtle things we take for granted can (and have) shaped history.

If you haven't read it take a look...


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I didn't really read it. I read some of it and just skimmed through the rest a little bit. It was quite interesting.
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Have come to disagree with parts of it but the core of it still stands.

Was going to make a thread questioning what Obamas success at the polls means in regards to the theory, if he wins it will be interesting to see how (caucasian) people around him will be forced to act.


I wanted to know if the Dagara elders could tell the diffrence between fiction and reality. The elders did not understand what a starship is, they did not understand what the fussy uniforms had to do with anything but they recognized in Spock a Kontomble of the seventh planet... they had never seen a Kontomble that big.

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As i said I am about 1/3 way through I'll save the answer to that question once I have read it. I don't want to start off with an opinion to that question and find out that the book says something else.


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Have come to disagree with parts of it but the core of it still stands.

Was going to make a thread questioning what Obamas success at the polls means in regards to the theory, if he wins it will be interesting to see how (caucasian) people around him will be forced to act.

What parts of her work don't you agree with? There are only a couple parts that I still question, but I think it is only because I haven't developed the depth she has on the psyche. Other than that, I defend both Isis Papers and Yurugu tooth and nail.


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Yeah, shame yurugu is so expencive, someone needs to get these books onto PDF and link them up so people can read them when they want, most books are freely available on the internet now.

Think Welsings study lacks in precision, understand the core of it as said, that caucasians and others suffer from recessive traits and have created a culture from their illness but disagree with the examples given, psychology is a troublesome field think facts and figures could have been laid out to concrete the work, reactions tested and data given on the results...then, I chanced on some of the videos where she leant further toward an opinionated view in some examples, stating for example that street fashion, people wearing their caps backwards, showed some kind of directional problem and that caucasians, ''wouldn't do that'' something that isn't true, again along with other examples backed with only an attached reasoning where I felt that no clear case was given, no results of a determinate study where 'opinions' can be taken up as factual and worked upon.

That being said the core of it all stands on its own, its obvious that as genetically recessive peoples they would create a culture to survive within, one that would act negatively on us as fully functional melinated people but it lacks precision as to how it manifests and until its precise it can't be taken any further and has only stated the obvious, caucasian culture = Bad . African = Good.

Overly critical perhaps but yeah....


I wanted to know if the Dagara elders could tell the diffrence between fiction and reality. The elders did not understand what a starship is, they did not understand what the fussy uniforms had to do with anything but they recognized in Spock a Kontomble of the seventh planet... they had never seen a Kontomble that big.
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Is this how most Africans here read African books?

Isn't slightly easier to walk into an African bookshop and buy the book you want and then "read it when you want"?
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Is this how most Africans here read African books?

Isn't slightly easier to walk into an African bookshop and buy the book you want and then "read it when you want"?

I must say that I can see your point, although it would be nice to have these books in a digital format. I know for my own purposes, it would aid research tremendously. I already take digital notes of everything I read typing it into their respective Word documents as a "Literary Journal", but it would help if at times I could just do a quick key word search of a book. There are times when I remember reading something in a book, but can't remember exactly where. I think that publishers should start providing a CD in the back of the book with it in PDF or another format that is easy to search.


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Is this how most Africans here read African books?

Isn't slightly easier to walk into an African bookshop and buy the book you want and then "read it when you want"?
Certain books, fine, but when it comes down to the cause things need to be readily accessible for everyone. We in the west are fortunate enough to have all these scholars researching, writing and bring out books ready for the market and available at readings and opening events but the same isn't true in places where its needed the most... that and of course due to our disposition many simply can't afford to buy the books in the first place.

DtotheJ posted a link where the author, S.A.Israel, writes about the printing press and its contribution to the european renaissance, if used right the internet could well be our printing press rather than being used as a tool for free movies and music its the communicative, informative side to it we are but still need to be tapping into... have my opinions on its practical use not sure if it encourages people to actually do anything but its t/here can't deny that.

The other thing we need to be doing is translating certain books into various languages for those of us who don't speak english or a colonial tounge, knowledge shared amongst a few people is useless.


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