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22-04-05, 10:41 AM
Thurmond's Biracial Daughter Seeks to Join Confederacy Group
Ms. Washington-Williams is joining the Confederate organization not to honor the soldiers that fought for a Southern way of life dependent on slavery, but to explore her genealogy and heritage, her lawyer, Frank K. Wheaton, said yesterday. In applying, she claims an honor that can be bestowed only on someone of her lineage, he said, and she hopes to encourage other blacks in a similar position to do the same.
In a statement, Ms. Washington-Williams said: "It is important for all Americans to have the opportunity to know and understand their bloodline. Through my father's line, I am fortunate to trace my heritage back to the birth of our nation and beyond. On my mother's side, like most African-Americans, my history is broken by the course of human events." link
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I started researching my family tree last year and discovered alot of "whiteness" in it. Asking around, it is true that in the past there were lots of whites and mixed blacks in the family. Just like Ms. Washington-Williams, it is possible to trace my heritage waaaaaaaaaaaay back. But I feel kinda strange, confused even by the thought of claimingthis heritage as my own? I have alot of cousins who appear very white. Yet, they will become extreamly hostile if you imply that anything about them is non-black. As a kid I remember fronting my cousin T many times on her and her folks physical appearance, because in my mind they were not black. Didn't have black folk eyes, hair, or skin. But to them, there is only 1 bloodline: black........and Cherokee . But in my family, the story has been told that there is no Indian blood, that black women only said this so nobody would know that they slept with a white man.
Do you claim any European heritage?
What is so offensive in admitting that you have European heritage?
Are you disgusted at the thought of having white blood?
Are you offened when people question your blackness? (hair, skin, and eye color)
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22-04-05, 11:30 AM
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Thurmond's Biracial Daughter Seeks to Join Confederacy Group
Ms. Washington-Williams is joining the Confederate organization not to honor the soldiers that fought for a Southern way of life dependent on slavery, but to explore her genealogy and heritage, her lawyer, Frank K. Wheaton, said yesterday. In applying, she claims an honor that can be bestowed only on someone of her lineage, he said, and she hopes to encourage other blacks in a similar position to do the same.
In a statement, Ms. Washington-Williams said: "It is important for all Americans to have the opportunity to know and understand their bloodline. Through my father's line, I am fortunate to trace my heritage back to the birth of our nation and beyond. On my mother's side, like most African-Americans, my history is broken by the course of human events." link
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I started researching my family tree last year and discovered alot of "whiteness" in it. Asking around, it is true that in the past there were lots of whites and mixed blacks in the family. Just like Ms. Washington-Williams, it is possible to trace my heritage waaaaaaaaaaaay back. But I feel kinda strange, confused even by the thought of claiming this heritage as my own? I have alot of cousins who appear very white. Yet, they will become extreamly hostile if you imply that anything about them is non-black. As a kid I remember fronting my cousin T many times on her and her folks physical appearance, because in my mind they were not black. Didn't have black folk eyes, hair, or skin. But to them, there is only 1 bloodline: black........and Cherokee . But in my family, the story has been told that there is no Indian blood, that black women only said this so nobody would know that they slept with a white man.
Do you claim any European heritage?
What is so offensive in admitting that you have European heritage?
Are you disgusted at the thought of having white blood?
Are you offened when people question your blackness? (hair, skin, and eye color)
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No, I don't "claim" any European heritage, neither do I wish to celebrate their culture in any way, shape, or form. However, I'm not naive enough to believe there are no European rapist in my families past. To claim these rapist in my family tree would be insulting to the black women who had no choice but to sleep with the rapist. Not to mention, these rapist are the furthest thing from being your family. Instead, I see whatever European blood I may have as a reminder of my peoples struggle, in its worst form: the rape of our women.
\'I believe the time came, that your mind changed; do you understand? Life is like a chess move: you need to make your next move your best move.\' T.I.
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22-04-05, 11:43 AM
Well, I have a very distant white ancestor or two (not including rapes because i dont know about those)but their heritage is definitly not mine. My pops side of the family is from south carolina and my moms side is from the virgin island so that makes me black. I know that my great great great grandparents on my mother's side are awest indian woman and white danish man from the british virgin islands. My great great grandmother died when mygreat gramywas little so she didnt pickup the west indian culture that much or the accent being she was raised around americans. When great gramy raised my mother (since my grandmother died when my mother was just born) she raised her amoungst nothing but americans and i guess thats how that culture was lost. So if i dont even have much of the west indian culture, I'm definitly not going to have the heritage of some white ancestor in the 1800's.
To believe is to have doubt and no facts but to know is to have facts and no doubt.
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No, I don't "claim" any European heritage, neither do I wish to celebrate their culture in any way, shape, or form. However, I'm not naive enough to believe there are no European rapist in my families past. To claim these rapist in my family tree would be insulting to the black women who had no choice but to sleep with the rapist. Not to mention, these rapist are the furthest thing from being your family. Instead, I see whatever European blood I may have as a reminder of my peoples struggle, in its worst form: the rape of our women.
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exact and correctme bredder
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the unequal distribution of power and resources since our forced arrival in the americas is a fact
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and something we should use to keep our focus in this world of sellouts, the confused, the ignorant and those who see the status quo as beneficial.
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rape and miscegenation are weapons of war used against us to humilate, complicate, confuseand divert african leadership throughan intimate intervention.
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paul bogle said "cleave to the black"
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History is a people's memory, and without a memory, man is demoted to the lower animals
Omowale Malcolm X (1925 - 1965)
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30-04-05, 01:06 PM
I am Mixed Race.My mother is white (european) and my father is black (african).So i have a little more white then most of you do.My parents are still together and married so i do have the best of both cultures.
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30-04-05, 01:23 PM
well......if someone has white, native, ancestry etc....they should learn to accept it, even if they don't like it.................if it is fact then you have to come to terms with it.
I am light complexioned but I don't think I have white ancestry.........................if I did, it would annoy me, but I would accept it as part of my family's history.
I would have no choice.
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30-04-05, 01:47 PM
everything an individual does is a political act.
in this their are choices
millions of white americans have african blood
they, for the most part do not claim it or hold it up something to be proud of or who they are
that is their choice
and where they are at, and always been
progressive thinking africans have and are still under no illusions about the violent power relationships between african and europeans
this is why we dont claim or hold up white blood as anything more than the results of violent oppression or acts of war
with absolutely no apologies to anyone or anything
History is a people's memory, and without a memory, man is demoted to the lower animals
Omowale Malcolm X (1925 - 1965)
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30-04-05, 03:18 PM
[align=center]I did my research and ended up getting in touch with the other side.They were cool people and they sent me pictures of some of my old ancestors.The man also helped out my ancestor back in the day which let him live in a better financial position than most Blacks within miles of him.It was pretty interesting but while I can have that story in my lineage to put into my family history filesI have no illusions or confusion about what I am which is a proud Black man.[/align]
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01-05-05, 02:33 PM
Why is it so difficult to accept the White Ancestry you may have as an African American individual? Personally, I think the slight amount of White Ancestry has given African Americans more of an attractive look in comparison to the Very dark-skinned Pure Africans. But that's just my opinion.
I'm of Mixed Race myself, my Mother is White and my Father is Black, and I have no problems with accepting the White Part of me. Although, I think it has given me a confusing look, in a sense of, it's difficult for people to pin-point my Racial character. Most people ask me if I'm of Kiwi, Maori or Samoan descent, and only occasionally will a person ever ask if I'm Black/African. Nobody ever asks me if I'm White, though.
Anyway, I can comprehend how the African Americans with White Ancestry wouldn't want to uphold that Racial characteristic that they have genetically acquired, because of HOW the White person that contributed that racial characteristic got it into their family - By Rape.
I believe that African Americans should neglect the specific White Person that wrongfully contributed their White Genetics onto your people in shameful ways, and accept the White Ancestry they have. You don't need to go around representing it and letting everybody know, but you could just accept the fact that you do have some White Ancestry and not be ashamed of it. Remember, it's not your fault or responsibility for what the White folk did to your people back then, and whether or not they did Rape one of our women and passed on the Whiteness in that matter, the fact that you have White Ancestry still remains and should not be looked at in a negative perspective.
Ignore the White Person inparticular that contributed their Genetics onto you, and how they did it, and just be cool with yourself, partnas. clp)
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01-05-05, 03:15 PM
Mitchell............I hope you are ready for the backlash..............
btw beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you don't need white blood to make you "more attractive".
I personally think there is no beauty that matches that of the continental African, whjether male or female.......for me there is nothing better than an African man (very dark skinned or not), but thats just my own preference.
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Why is it so difficult to accept the White Ancestry you may have as an African American individual? Personally, I think the slight amount of White Ancestry has given African Americans more of an attractive look in comparison to the Very dark-skinned Pure Africans. But that's just my opinion.
[align=center]I am a Black American with "white ancestry" and I vehemently disagree with this assertion.There is beauty in all shades of our Black American people from the lightesttan to the darkest mahogany.You need to stop disrespecting yourself and the race.[/align]
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Ignore the White Person inparticular that contributed their Genetics onto you, and how they did it, and just be cool with yourself, partnas. clp)
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i think you will find it is only mixed race people who have problems with white blood.
or light skinned blacks
for the rest, its not an issue
black is black white is white
hence blacnet and not mymumiswhite.com
as mos put it
they are not our family.
we dont honor rapists
History is a people's memory, and without a memory, man is demoted to the lower animals
Omowale Malcolm X (1925 - 1965)
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