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the evidence points to about Zimbabwe (or southern Africa) because Queen Hatshepsut (15th centuryBCE)of the 18th Egyptian Dynasty sailed to Punt by way of boat southwards on theRed Sea (called the Black Sea in Kemetic texts because this body of water was within the Kemetic empire). Some people assume that Somalia or Ethiopia is where they landed to find Punt, but why couldn't they have sailed even further down and around the east coast of Africa to south Africa? If we look at a map of Africa this is totally feasible; where they could have easily sailed passed Ethiopia and Somalia and further south down the east coast of Africa...stay with me now...





In a relief at the Dayr Al Bahri temple in Egyptit shows Queen Hatshepsut being welcomed by theQueen Etiand King Perehu of Punt. Just as archaeologists have analyzed this relief, it shows that the Queen of Puntexhibitsextremely steatopygictraits (huge Black woman azz)that is classic to south African women, who were termed Bushmen and Hottentots by malignant Europeans.




What has been further noted by archaeologists is that although south Africans were very well known in the Nile Valley thoughout Ethiopia, Nubia, and Egypt, it is more likely that for the Queen to have these characteristics, itwould be indicative of the people she governed, which was notindigenous to the Ethiopic, Sudanic, or Nubian body types.Therefore, this points to a southern-most location for the land of Punt, or namely South Africa.

Here are some pictures of some of the south African women form...








Racist White and Arab archaeologists know this fact all too well about Punt, but avoid it like the plague because their ego (which they have been stroking for the last few hundred years) would be severely bruised. The main reason White Egyptologists avoid it is due to shame because they kidnapped a south African girl and put her on display in Europe during the European enslavement/colonization of Africa. Until 1997, a "Bushman" literally stuffed with cottonwas on display in a museum just outside Barcelona...





Some of this information may seem a bit superfluous, butI just want to make it clear that we already know who thepeople of Punt are. To pick up from before, if Punt was merely south of Nubia/Kush, then it would not have been necessary to travel by way of the sea/ocean. The Egyptians made trade shipments and expeditions all the time up and down the Nile with Kush and Ethiopia, so why take the Red Sea when going to Punt if in the same locality? The reason in my opinion is simple, because it was much further to the south and the terrain of the Nile gets much more difficult to navigate than the wide ocean when travelling into the heart of Africa. More importantly, simply travelling the Nile probably would not have got them far enough south.

In conclusion, Pwnt (Punt) means "Land of the Neterw (gods)" in the ancient Kemetic/Egyptian language. The queen of the "Land of the Gods" (as shown above) was a thick booty Black woman. This should give us some indication that we need to cherish and worship our beautiful Black woman...big azz and all...because God is a woman, and she is BLACK!!!

thin line between appreciation of our women and objectifying them.....



first timeI saw the relief of the queen of punt..I wanted to put it on a poster.....was amazed at how thick she was....



I love black women....and appreciate the body type that many of them have, the varied features than many of them have, the (natural)hair texture thatwe share.......and all that...but women are so much more thanphysical features..especially Black women.

This is great. I have to pull all my historical facts together. Thoth, you are one knowledgeble brother. Wish there are more like you who has a sense of history, especially here in the good ol USA. Will be back.

Anxiously waiting...

Thoth, you are right about travelling up and down the nile. It is not easy to travel up and down the nile but it is not impossible. The reason dueare the cataracts. There are several cataracts (about 7 major ones if I remember correctly) and several smaller ones. The cataracts are sections where the river tumbles over rocks and have long kept boats from going up and down the river continuously from Lake Victoria all the way to Egypt. Furthermore on the nile between Lake Victoria and Equatoria, there are falls. Further upstream is the Suud; which is a swampy area about 130,000 square kilometers full of crocodiles and hippopatamus.

The ancient Egyptians claimed they came from the land of Punt, which is South of Nubia (still the Sudan) or maybe further south, that is up for argument. Some archaelogist claim the land of Punt is between Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia and Somalia, although this theory is controversial. Modern day archaelogist place Punt closer to Egypt, which is somewhere in Sudan. To me if one is positioned in Nubia, Eritrea and Ethiopia is not exactly south of Nubia, they are more so East of Nubia. The animals depicted in their drawings suggested animals than can be found in Savannah's and jungles (still Sudan)niceone.gif. Note that one can travel from Egypt to Sudan(largest country in Africa) via the red sea, it does not necessarily have to be through the nile (infact I would say that is the best mode of travel).

Will be back. Vubundada

The oldest known expedition to Punt was organized by Pharaoh Sahure of the 5th dynasty (2458-2446 BC). Also around 1950 BC, in the time of King Mentuhotep III, 11th dynasty (2004-1992 BC), an officer named Hennu and three thousand men from the south transported material for building ships through Wadi Hammamat, and to Punt acquiring a number of exotic products including incense, perfume and gum was brought to Egypt. A very famous expedition was for Queen Hatshepsut in the 18th dynasty

(1473-1458 BC). It was formed of five ships, each measuring 70 feet long, and with several sails. These accommodated 210 men, including sailors and 30 rowers, and was led by the Nubian general "Nehsi". They departed at Quseir on the Red Sea for what was primarily a trading mission, seeking frankincense and myrrh, and fragrant unguents used for cosmetics and in religious ceremonies. However, they also brought back exotic animals and plants, ivory, silver and gold. A report of this voyage is left behind as temple reliefs in Deir el-Bahri, Egypt (see reliefs below). The reliefs shows the departure of the expedition, its arrival at the mysterious land, the landing of the ships with the gifts by the Puntine leader to Hatshepsut, and the preparations for the return voyage. The temple reliefs also showed the features of the Puntine people, who were black Africans, as well as another race much resembling Egyptians. Donkeys were depicted as the method of transporting goods, and white dogs guarding the people’s houses. Birds, monkeys, leopards and hippopotamus are also seen, as well as giraffes which are typical African animals, to live in Punt. The Nubian Nehsi is then shown in front of his tent with a banquet offered to his guests, and observing the gifts presented.



And then there is the story of The Shipwrecked Sailor, 2200 BC which references Punt.


[right] chief of Punt "Parakhu"; [left] his wife queen "Aty"

Original copy at the Museum at Cairo (No. 34419)



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Breasted, James Henry, Ph.D., Ancient Records of Egypt, Historical Documents, Vol. II, 1906



Pages 102-104



"These are undoubtedly the most interesting series of relief's in Egypt, and form almost our only early source of information for the land of Punt. They are as beautiful in execution as they are important in content. They record an important expedition of the queen thither, which was successfully concluded just before her ninth year."



"The only earlier evidences of intercourse with Punt are as follows: In the Fourth Dynasty a Puntite negro appears as the slave of one of the sons of King Khufu, in the Fifth, King Sahure sent an expedition thither, and King Isesi sent another, which brought back a dancing dwarf; in the Sixth, an officer of Pepi II, named Enenkhet, was killed by the Sand-dwellers on the coast, while building a ship for the Punt voyage, and another expedition thither under the the same king was led by assistant treasurer, Thethy; in the Eleventh Dynasty, Henu, chief treasurer of King Senekhkere-Mentuhoptep III, dispatched an expedition to Punt, which he accompanied only to the coast of the Red Sea; in the Twelfth Dynasty, an officer of Amenemhet II, named Khentkhetwer, records his safe return from Punt; and finally there was also an expedition under Sesostris II."



"The question of the location of Punt is too large for discussion here, but is was certainly in Africa, and probably was the Somali coast."



"Historically, it is important to note that Thutmose III appears only once in the Punt reliefs, and that in a subordinate position, so that, as far as this source is concerned, the queen is the author of the expedition, which she undertakes in accordance with an oracle of Amon".



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Punt under the Queen



"But I will cause thy army to tread them, I have led them on water and on land, to explore the waters of inaccessible channels, and I have reached the Myrrh-terraces. It is a glorious region of God's-Land; it is indeed my place of delight. I have made it for myself, in order to divert my heart, together with Mut, Hathor, Wereret (Isis), mistress of Punt, the mistress, 'Great in Sorcery', mistress of all gods. They took myrrh as they wished, they loaded the vessels to their hearts' content, with fresh myrrh trees, every good gift of this country, Puntites whom the people know not, Southerns of God's-Land. I conciliated them by love that they might give to thee praise, because thou art a god, because of thy fame in the countries. I know them, I am their wise lord, I am the begetter, Amon-Re; my daughter, who binds the lords, is the king [Makere] (Hatshepsut). I have begotten her for myself. I am thy father, who sets thy fear among the Nine Bows, while they come in peace to all gods. They have brought all the marvels, every beautiful thing of God's-Land, for which thy majesty sent them: heaps of gum of myrrh, and enduring trees bearing fresh myrrh, united in the festival-hall, to be seen of the lord of the gods. May thy majesty cause them to grow. My temple, in order to delight my heart among them. My name is before the gods, thy name is before all the living, forever. Heaven and earth are flooded with incense; odors are in the Great House. Mayest thou offer them to me, pure and cleansed, in order to express the ointment for the divine limbs, to offer myrrh, to make ointment, to make festive my statue with necklaces, while I am making libations for thee. My heart is glad because of seeing thee."--James Henry Breasted


The loading of the ships.



Plate from The Road to Punt, F.D.P. Wicker, The Journal of African History, Vol. 12, No. 1 (1971), 162.


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Tapping frankincense tree in Tigray, northern Ethiopia


Frankincense & Myrrh Incense

Indigenous to Somalia, Africa



Frankincense and myrrh were the first tree resins (sap) used by the Ancient Egyptians. They were burned to clear the air in sickrooms and during religious ceremonies to drive away evil spirits.



Frankincense: Clears the mind, spirit and lungs. Has a calming effect in stressful situations. With its warming and soothing effects on the mind and emotions it is excellent for meditation and prayer.



Myrrh (aka Myrrha): Has a calming effect on the nervous system, quiets the mind and has a soothing grounding quality. Good for people who are afraid to speak for themselves, Myrrh helps build confidence.

@ East African

Just to be clear, do you think that Punt was actually about where present-day Ethiopia and Somalia reside?

Just so you are aware, your reference (http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/shipwrecked.html)which isa translation of the Leningrad Papyrustells that they went through Nubia and Kush (ancient Abyssinian/Ethiopian empire). It states

...although we have been to the ends of Wawat [Nubia], and gone through the land of Senmut [Kush], we have returned in peace...

Theempire of Kush encompassed all of present-day Ethiopia as well as Somalia.



Therefore, if the Egyptians passed through Kush, then they certainly passed present-day Ethiopia and Somalia. Furthermore, if you look at the relief of the Queen of Punt...



...her physical characteristics are indicative of a south African woman. If this was a queen of Ethiopia or Somalia, how likely is it for a people give rulership to someone not directly of themselves?

As for the presence of frankincense and myrrh in Punt, is it outlandish that they simply traded with Kush/Abysinnia? It is written the Egyptians brought entire trees back to Egypt to plant for themselves.

P.S. Is there a way you can get a smaller picture of the frankincense and myrrh since it has this thread page looking really wide?

Hafun

Hafun (Xaafuun) is a small low-lying peninsula in the Bari region of northern Somalia. It is sometimes known as Ras Hafun or Raas Xaafuun, and "Hafun" also refers to the small community on the peninsula. The promontory juts out into the Indian Ocean, where it is known as Cape Hafun and is the easternmost point on the African continent.

CE in his Periplus of the Erythraean Sea. Ancient Egyptian, Roman and Persian Gulf pottery has been recovered from the site by an archaeological team from the University of Michigan. Opone is in the thirteenth entry of the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, which in part states:


And then, after sailing four hundred stadia along a promontory, toward which place the current also draws you, there is another market-town called Opone, into which the same things are imported as those already mentioned, and in it the greatest quantity of cinnamon is produced, (the arebo and moto), and slaves of the better sort, which are brought to Egypt in increasing numbers; and a great quantity of tortoiseshell, better than that found elsewhere.
In Ancient times, Opone operated as a port of call for merchants from Phonecia, Egypt, Greece, Persia, Yemen, Nabataea,