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24-02-06, 04:30 PM
yeah....there are people who are CLEARLY African who have a problem saying it
...so it would be of no surprise that there are mulattoes and mestizoas in latin america who don't readily acknowledge African ancestry....
in the film section there is a thread about the african diaspora film festival....they had film about this topic that they show every year......"African Blood"
think they have it for sale on the website for those who are interested....
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24-02-06, 06:58 PM
BP, do you see the contradiction between putting up a thread like this and some of your "begging Africa" comments?
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Let us not forget the "Sambos" of Mexico. In the West, sambo became a derogatory word for Africans which implied that we didn't take anything serious and were laughing or dancing all of the time.Theyarepeople of African/Black descent who have their own villages/tribes who call themselves the Sambos in Mexico to this very day. You may be asking where the word "sambo" came from. These people's real name was actually "Simba,"but it was b**tardized by the Spaniards when they were enslaved and brought to the New World.
This is an interesting thread...I will have more later on Mexico's "black" secrets.
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28-02-06, 07:33 PM
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you can't be serious BP. thread calling out Mexicans who hide or deny African heritage????
anyway, Thoth....what's the next one about mexico's secrets...
Vicente Fox(presdeint of Mexico)made derogatory comments last year about Blacks and some Blacks STILL went down there and spent money for vacation....
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you can't be serious BP. thread calling out Mexicans who hide or deny African heritage????
I wouldn't blame them though its called "brainwashing" and self hatred.
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I don't now if this would relate to what BlackPower is talking about or not, but there's a website about the Afro-Mexicans in mexico.
http://www.afromexico.com/
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Subject: Mexico's ~Dark~ Secret
Date: 1999/06/25
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This song, La Bamba, sung by a young, talented Mexican American named *Richie Valens* was a big hit back in the 1950's. In fact, it was ONE of the longest, if not THE longest pop hits that ever hit the charts. This song didn't just ingeniously pop into his head. It goes back more than 300 years. La Bamba, or *Mbamba was a traditional African dance* and is the name of an ethnic group in Angola, West Africa.[line]I dont know how much research wnet into this. A nice write-up. But I know for a fact that Angola is not in West Africa.
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La Bamba, or *Mbamba was a traditional African dance* and is the name of an ethnic group in Angola, West Africa.
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I dont know how much research wnet into this. A nice write-up. But I know for a fact that Angola is not in West Africa.
Of course it is......come on man.....please stop.
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you can't be serious BP. thread calling out Mexicans who hide or deny African heritage????
I wouldn't blame them though its called "brainwashing" and self hatred.
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BP knows what I 'm talking about. He's made comments dissing Blacks who "beg Africa"and it seems a contradiction for him to be puttin gup thread about Mexicans who have African blood but don't want to be stigmatized by claiming it....
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Angola is in south west africa,
Perhaps the author forgot to put that in his article
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01-03-06, 06:44 PM
interesting thread.........I studied Latin american history and none of my lecturers could tell me where the black populations in countries like Mexico and Argentina disappeared to.
Any ideas people?
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interesting thread.........I studied Latin american history and none of my lecturers could tell me where the black populations in countries like Mexico and Argentina disappeared to.
Any ideas people?
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they were absorbed into the gene pool....for the most part...
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there were campaigns to "lighten the race"......in south america....
encouraging people to marry someone lighter to wipe out the African facial features....and hair textures...
There remain pockets of Africans in both places....
hate to sound like a broken record..but look at the thread in film section about african disapora film festival..has film about both Afro mexicans and afro argentians...
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Black not like me
Argentina has no black problem because it has no blacks. At least that's what mainstream society has told itself, but the "Afroargentinos" in this documentary tell a different story of their country's past and present.
By PETER THEIS
Offoffoff.com
Carlos Menem, whose ten-year tenure as Argentina's president ended in 1999 just before his macroeconomic policies led to the collapse of the economy, was asked, during a tour of the United States, about whether Argentina had any citizens of African descent. He responded, "No, we have no blacks. Brazil has that problem." Afroargentinos, a 2003 documentary by Diego Ceballos and Jorge Antonio Fortes, flushes out the dark premises of Menem's statement, persuasively showing the official invisibility and widespread stereotyping (as "a problem," among other things) that Argentina's black population endures.
AFROARGENTINOS
Directed by: Diego Ceballos, Jorge Antonio Fortes.
In Spanish with English subtitles.
SCHEDULE
Clearview 62nd & Broadway
Aug. 14, 2004, 9:15 p.m.
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Primarily, the film is a compendium of individuals' experiences as black in an overwhelmingly white society (97% are of European ancestry) - or, at least, a society that wants to think of itself as overwhelmingly and unproblematically white. However, the compendium is given historical context. Like many New World nations, Argentina imported Africans as slaves, until total abolition in 1861. In post-abolition times, when pseudo-scientific race generalizations flourished on all continents, blacks were presumed to be genetically unsuitable to participating in the country's economic development. The official presumption of inferiority resulted in gross governmental mistreatment, exemplified by a quarantine of a cholera-infected area in which white families were permitted to exit but blacks forced to remain to become infected and die. In more recent times, Argentina remained one of the few allies of the apartheid regime in South Africa and even secretly agreed to accept white-skinned émigrés should the apartheid regime be overthrown. Running parallel to this appalling but too-typical history were hegemonic efforts to rewrite history and officially discount black citizens; a score and century before Menem uttered his denial of black experience in Argentina, another statesman made the claim that the only blacks that an Argentine could see were in Brazil. To the present day, history textbooks do not acknowledge that Argentina's first president was of African descent on his maternal side.
Coming from such diversity in background, one man observes that little unity, or political organization, among blacks has been sought or achieved, in contrast to the Jewish or Armenian presences in Argentina. This observation is the pivot of the film.
As mentioned, the brief history review serves only to contextualize the contemporary experiences of the half-dozen Afro-Argentine subjects interviewed. The subjects are of diverse cultural background, from members of the Cape Verde society, composed of 1940s-era immigrants from that African island nation, to blacks descended from slaves and, in one case, a renowned tango composer. They also have diverse occupations, from musician to scholar to seaman to activist. Coming from such diversity in background, one man observes that little unity, or political organization, among blacks has been sought or achieved, in contras | |