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Please can you help me with reputable books and articles talking about the African worldview versus European worldview. I was reading about it on another forum. I read someone refer to Marimba Ani's Yurugu. Can we discuss the African worldview, Is it holisitic? Are their evidences to show its holisitic nature? Is western thought reductionist?
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I recommended "Yurugu". I know of no other book that actually sets aside chapters to compare the European Worldwide to the African Worldwide. It was so powerful I had to read it several times.
I don't think I would classify European thought as only "reductionist". For me the issue is the way the European minded think that emotional or spiritual knowledge is secondary to what can be proven by logic or science. As though the Human Experience can be interpreted through only logical or objective means. They seek to talk about mental disorders as being simply chemical imbalances. There is nothing there to talk about a spiritual well-being or having an emotional support network.
Dr. Marimba Ani does an excellent job of breaking this all down.
www.africawithin.com/ani/marimba_ani.htm
“If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning.
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Thanks. I will get the book. I had a feeling that perhaps hers was the only book dealing exhaustively with the subject.
So youfeel do Africans atomise the phenomena we study,and that we dont necessarily look at it holisitically to include all aspects that might affect the phenomena?
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Thanks. I will get the book. I had a feeling that perhaps hers was the only book dealing exhaustively with the subject.
So youfeel do Africans atomise the phenomena we study,and that we dont necessarily look at it holisitically to include all aspects that might affect the phenomena?
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Well, I feel that miseducated or westernized Africans, do not look at things holistically. John Henrik Clarke had a saying, "all of human history is one giant current event".
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Context, history, experience, culture, etc., etc. are all players in what we are dealing with today. We need to think more comprehensively and we need to focus on setting our own goals and standards.
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25-08-06, 08:30 PM
A review of the book.
[align=left] YURUGU
An African-Centered Critique of
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[align=left]A Counter Racist Book Review
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[align=left]Author: Marimba Ani
Publisher: African World Press, 1994. 570 pgs.
A person I know once compared "Black Studies" to "studying your navel while being raped."
I think what he meant was that Black people need to spend less time looking at each other and more time studying White Supremacists. The book Yurugu by Marimba Ani is just such an exercise. I have seen several interviews with Marimba Ani and the most striking thing about her is her focus on White Supremacy in spite of all her "higher education." Is it me? or is this an unusual phenomenon?
If you understand the importance of language and the role of words as tools, you will find this book very interesting. One of the main weaknesses of counter racism code is that the victims lack the language (words) to accurately describe the problem. Dr. Ani partially solves this problem by giving you words and definitions that fill these vacuums in understanding. Some of these words are African in origin; don't let this throw you off. Focus on the definition for the words and as you read the book, you will understand why she is using them.
This is a very serious book and you're gonna hafta take your time with it. Lets face it, you see White people all day long but I bet you never really think about what a "White person" is or why they behave the way they do. Depending on your level of victimization, for some of you this may be a deeply troubling book. The very act of studying White people in a system of White Supremacy is treasonous even on a good day. Entire chapters of this book are devoted to study of White people's; image of others, Rhetoric and behavior, behavior towards others, self image... And this is all done while maintaining a focus on White Supremacy. Too many times counter racism science morphs into a giant academic exercise with no real world application. You see this a lot when an author is trying to sell books about racism to White people.
I have great respect for any non white person that attempts to reveal the most familiar mystery in the known universe--White people. Marimba Ani has done a great job. This is a very good book, how do I know?
Because it has "legs." It will walk out of your house. People who flip through it will ask you if they can borrow it, and you will never get it back. Some of you "academic kneegrows" out there, trapped in your tight white bodies, will really be challenged to try and think in a language other than White Supremacy. Just remember that the African terms and definitions she uses are there to "make up" (compensate) for a word we need to describe the problem.
Imagine you are an inmate being held (unjustly) in a prison and you ain't got no word for "tunnel"? In order to teach the other inmates the concept of two vertical holes connected by a horizontal hole you need a word to describe it.
Most of Yurugu is a description of the "guards" at the prison; the way they think and the words they use. This book does not have the "cure" for racism, neither do I. But the first step in curing a disease is making an accurate diagnosis. The first step is to come up with words that accurately describe reality. Its not a "cop out" for YOU to make up words. As long as they describe reality, you are on the right path.
Just look at Lou Gerig, he died from "Lou Gerig's disease" his doctors had to call it somethin?
Words produce thinking, thinking produces words.
It is through the process of thinking that all problems are solved.
Josh Wickett
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The late, and certainly great, Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop devotes a significant part of the following work to comparison of the African civilization model to the Asiatic and Indo-European models...
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A Luta Continua—Lasima Tushinde Mbilishaka

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^^^^Just saw this. Thanks, I will check this out.
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01-09-06, 01:03 PM
Have I got this right? I understand that book Yurugu cost around £200 to get hold of. Does anyone know of where to get it cheaper?
Also, the RRP is around £22. Is my information source suspect or what? Or is this book one of the rarest and hardest to get hold of on the planet? Then again is it so powerful in what it says that it has tobe put of the reach of most people?
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Have I got this right? I understand that book Yurugu cost around £200 to get hold of. Does anyone know of where to get it cheaper?
Also, the RRP is around £22. Is my information source suspect or what? Or is this book one of the rarest and hardest to get hold of on the planet? Then again is it so powerful in what it says that it has tobe put of the reach of most people?
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Greetings Bro,
Your post forced me to the phone. I madeenquires withsome African booksellers(no copies, or prices were available to me, as yet). Strange!!
I've got 2 old copies of Ani's book (both in the hands of associates).They better look after them!!
Yurugu is a key text in the field of African versus European culture/psychology.
History is a people's memory, and without a memory, man is demoted to the lower animals
Omowale Malcolm X (1925 - 1965)
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03-09-06, 06:22 PM
You can obtain Yurugu in DVD / VHS lecture form for less than U$40.00. (Please click).
I suggest that you try your local African bookshop for enquiries about the book.
Professor Leonard Jeffries also touches upon this subject in some of his work.
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04-09-06, 07:13 PM
I actually bought it in a white bookshop in Brixton. Yurugu that is.
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I actually bought it in a white bookshop in Brixton. Yurugu that is.
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