I have been discussing the original black pharaohs on the bbc history board and have been having difficulty proving my points.

I would appreciate any facts that cannot be discredited in providing facts of the black Egyptian kings that preceed the 25th dynasty.

If this cannot be done then surely it would be better for us as blacks to focus on the facts that not even the caucasians want to dispute.

It makes no sense me trying to force an agenda on my children if they are going to be laughed at or ridiculed by white historians.

I want facts facts facts. Please help as I desparately want to say we built the pyramids and the sphinx.

Kind Regards

Shakac

There's tons of material out there Robin Walker's recent book deals with these issues. The work of Anta Diop coming from his Phd thesis is a classic African Origins of Civilisation Myth or Reality which for me is one of the most impressive pieces of academic inquiry I have ever read. When you can prove your hypothesis via seven different methodologies you know it is a bad man you are dealing with..Go to National Black United Front website and look for the John H Clarke Gallery and there are references in his work like grains of rice...

Thanx

I needed this link as my searches via the net are not good enough to tackle accademic scholors that reside on the BBC history board.

Respect in every aspect.

Ps Keep the fire burning!!!!!

Hi Fred

I have looked at your links however they do not comprehensively prove who built the pyramids or sphinx.

Is there any other sources????

Arab or African...Slave labour built them

Tahliba wrote: funny you should say that as nobody even knows how they were built. According to the best of caucasian scientists, it is a scientific impossibility to build such a thing, it is also known by historians that there were never enough people there who are considered slaves by western standards (it is known that no such slavery existed) and yet you can say so certainly that they were built with slave labour. I applaud you. With a sentence you managed to defeat the years of research by all reputable scholars.

Get yourself a copy of "From Babylon to Timbuktu". It is not only filled with facts that you can look up, but references other materials that you might find helpful.

HatHaruhotep wrote:
was that geared towards me because that was meant to be sarcasm in my last post. maybe i layed it on a little thick. and who wrote that by the way, it makes the search for the book a lot easier. even if you weren't speaking to me i'd like to check it out.

Tahliba wrote: How'd you come to that conclusion? confused2

Hi Fred

I have looked at your links however they do not comprehensively prove who built the pyramids or sphinx.

Is there any other sources????






Shakac. Depends on what you mean comprehensively. Diop's thesis is one of the most robust on who were the people who formed the Kemetic civilisation between key points of time given not much is known before that and this time also corresponds to the building of key pyramids...Ghiza etc etc.

Furthermore, you will not find the answer in the links but in the references and books cited. There is no way you have read say Diop in the time you posted this and I responded to you. You could not have followed the info trail hard enough. A bredrin of mine has an impressive DVD library with tons of stuff eg films and documentary but the basic reference and source material they rely on comes from many of these key books. So it is as comprehensive as you will get.

@Talibah. Slaves built sh*t, they carried and pushed things. Do you know the level of engineering knowledge involved in basic things eg the sealing of those massive stones together so they are basically seamless. Tell me what slave knew how to to that.

Another good book is Egypt Revisted edited by Ivan Van Sertima. The book documents all the egyptologists including Diop/ and has illustrations etc.

As for the engineering of the pyramids..only master astronomers/ mathmaticians/ structural engineers/ ventilation specialists/ architects and skilled craftsmen could of built such a structure. The precision that the great pyramid was laid out to the cardninal points of the compass is less than 3/60 of a degree from true North, which accounts for the refraction of light as the sunlight enters Earth's atmosphere.

The numbers built into this incredible building are another thing. The relationship between the perimeter at the bottom and and the top is the same ratioas the Earth's equator and the poles. The naturally occuring numbers of stellar preccession are also represented in the building.

Only the top dogs in their field could of worked on such a project. Lets not even mention how they moved 50 ton blocks of stone with such precision that the stones did not require mortar. Even the biggest crane which rests in the USA could not acheive such a feat so that the stones are no more than 1/8 inch apart across their entire length. How about how straight they were cut? To the precision of a diamond in some cases. That building is so understated its a crime. To set out and build such a building is beyond modern engineers now. Slaves could notand would not buildwith such precision/ care and skill. Impossible.

Is afrocentric a genuine perspective? Sure it's the only perspective an african can have?confused3

One should ask if eurocentricism is a viable perspective for an African mind.

offtopic.gifmost Egyptologists (white or black) concur that the pyramids were not built by slaves. In fact there was an article in National geographic a few years back detailing how they were built by seasonal workers dependant on the behaviour of the nile itself. They would have spent half the year on the great pyramid and half on their farms. Also modern estimates on the amount of manpower you'd need have been drastically reduced with some lateral thinking.

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Relating to theissue of Slaves building thepyramids, one of theconclusions European slavers found during the Maafa, is that Africans would be more "industrious" within their white economic system (capitalism), if they were not slaves, but paid for their labor.

Slaves may cut cane or pick cotton (while planning to escape and kill their masters), but they aint gonnaask for overtime and be extra inventive, so as tohelp massa become even more powerful than he is already.

"Kidnapping me, raping my wife and daughterswhile killing my people en mass for nothing -and then I'm gonna work overtime to give you even greater technology to kill my people..............Hmmm let me think about that.........."

I mean comprehensive in terms of there are even white scholars that agree with his study.

I have seen some of Diops works before when I looked at and analyse the Black Athena debate so I do have a little understanding on Diop's work.

I have stated that the pyramids and sphinx work built by Black people this has been disputed due to the fact white researchers come to another conclusion based on several factors.

I have been told that I should not rely on Diop's findingsbut I will ignore that advise.

Thanks for your help though it is really appreciated.