Kinda agree with Blackchat but with qualifications because a significant portion of those mixed race children have African fathers and have always had. The history of migration and demographic patterns are different. Caribbean people have been leaving this country for a long times while continental Africans are pouring in both legally and illegally. So that has important ramifications. Just look at parts of South or East London where West Africans were a small minority compared to now.

But the thing that gets me and BlackChat illustrates this in our previous convo..Is while the white man does what he does and is his job to push himself as superior and the exemplar blah blah blah..Black people simply do his work for him. If you study the trends in the stats when they were much lower what were black people doing or saying in debates on relatiohships and family matters..?

What were too many of them not doing..basically getting their fingers out and making themselves culturally attractive as they can within their power to their own opposite sex. My old man had a saying a man can only legally have one woman but he can impact on as many he comes into contact with..Same applies with black women..

I must be the only fool to realise that black men and women are culturally in too many circles not seen as attractive by their own acts of commission or omission..So rather than fix our shit up and take responsibility for being the best you can be what do they do..We know the answer because we have read the threads and heard it in the barber shop or hairdressers..Its pathetic and as Johari Aminin once said no inferior people are guaranteed survival. We act like an inferior people who prefer to cuss and go on rather than making life changing decisions..

Simple as really..Any social problem whether it be baby mothers, mix raced relationships there are easy no brainer solutions which we refuse to take and prefer the excitement of going on rather than solve problems, even when they are in our own hands...As i said back in the day has any black man or woman with a cracker left them for you.after you have cussed them or called them names? .Nope..Has any wotless man become responsible after being cussed..No..Simply makes fools feel better..

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African Continentals and even UK Born African Born Brits are more or less inclined to marry within their own first and foremost unless other mitigating reasons arise
in the Sixties maybe it was 50/50 born to Afircans and Caribbeans but I would say most of the mixed raced kids today are born to people of Caribbean background and increasingsly so today unabated......whereas the African bonds are getting stronger and stronger
I seem to get this from you that Africans do not go back home actually quite a few have gone back and had good jobs offers there and more increasingly why stay here when they can have more of a impact in Africa!!....I know this for a fact
Besides Africans tend to go back home at least once a year and also invest their time and resources...it gives them a connection to the motherland and let them have a feeling of where they actually come from and not get too carried away with European ideals getting brainwashed into thinking their YT but with brown skin and accorded all the same privileges which we all know is a myth
Over here if you haven't noticed the Nigerian-Ghanian-Ethiopian-Somalian communities to name a few are quite strong and actually do work and very strong on culture and tradition...its not all talk
Another thing is we just don't take culture and the rudiments of finance serious..I do agree that some continue talking and ain't doing sh*t for themselves or for no one else.

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As i said back in the day has any black man or woman with a cracker left them for you.after you have cussed them or called them names? .Nope

Yes very much so....when black folks have mad money 'learnt hard' and re-discovered their culture they know where their bread is buttered...they always come back especially the African men


@BlackChat
Funny enough i always had to explain to this sista that people like Jada-Vanessa Williams-Will smith are not mixed race...
You know what all the things the YT man tries to manipulate might work but then it creates another problem ....its like having a breast implant and not thinking about the side effects thats what kills the YT man ...shit gets out of hand
With the Eastern European onslaught...the UK ethnic make-up should be quite interesting indeed!!

Astmartins don't disagree with you but don't tell me the increase in these communities are not from immigration. I use to teach an institution where most of the West AFricans had only been in the country a very short while, unlike Caribbean immigration which has been dead really since the sixties..So strong communities are reinforced by increasing numbers coming in. The significant increase in South and East London bro isnt due to procreation but influx..especially the young..

'Yes very much so....when black folks have mad money 'learnt hard' and re-discovered their culture they know where their bread is buttered...they always come back especially the African men'

Well here is where i differ coming from a borough with nuff Nigerians and know while some come back especially in later life when they get sense of are clearer on priorities, we will forget abut their mix race kids in the meantime, many don't but at a much smaller rate than African-Caribbeans who are much much more westenised and open to madness which is half or most of the problem right there.

To be frank I'm not concerned about the specifics my point is from what i see today in the streets and from what i know isn't that whats relevant...Africans are primarily marrying Africans and ultimately be pro-creating as a due process been to enough weddings to know of course there are exceptions
Of course a lot of Africans came here as a result of immigration what community name one that hasn't been planted here as a consequence of immigration..Next up are the Eastern Europeans

I'm not talking about Africans or Nigerians who already have mixed race kids don't think any single young black woman would be willing to put up with that so they better off where they at....
Don't buy the westernised stuff....Nigerians even the westernised one are prone to marry their own thats one thing you have to understand about Nigerians as a whole not individuals...same for the Asians some never even set foot in India or Pakistani...
Same sh*t goes down in the US or Canada

Well thats true. Even though Africans are much larger than African-Caribbeans. Nigeria alone has 100 million plus people. While the caribbean as a whole is much much smaller than even nigeria . Plus West Indian countries like Barbados have history of whites and mixed race at home.

Asmartins you actually make the point i was making to Blackchat that is not just one thing and Asians are classic and still sending for wives to this country to off set the Westenisation or perceived westernistation..I went to a domestic violence conference and was staggered. There is a whole industry of Asians, dating networks, people who introduce others for marriage in this country and in fact being under investigation by the police because of the masssive frauds and skankin that goes on.

One factor alone does not explain these things..Africans from the continent for the most part as do Asians have a stronger set of norms which we agree with, but their culture is always or more often being reinforced..Go to Derby, Leicester and them places always bringing in more. The ability to cut off a supply from any community actually makes it weaker which is a demographic fact which government knows and what the history of immigration policy is all about.

If more Caribbean came here in numbers the white washing would occur at a more slower rate and that is a crucial fact which shapes what we see on the streets..

Blackchat said 'Well thats true. Even though Africans are much larger than African-Caribbeans. Nigeria alone has 100 million plus people. While the caribbean as a whole is much much smaller than even nigeria . Plus West Indian countries like Barbados have history of whites and mixed race at home'.

True but Bajans make up a very small proportion of Caribbean here not even 1:11 when we use to collect that type of data, even though I think quite a proportion of them would have white partners because of the disproportionate numbers in the armed services who had been here long time, and a higher number of the professional class. But the major cultural trends are shaped by Jamaicans who constitute almost 94 percent of all Caribbean people.. No evidence of any thing particularly Bajan having any influence on their relationship choices. The historical dynamic within Barbados had negligible influence on behaviour here given most are married to Africans

I hear you Fred...The Asians have always been clever at that but why do we complain or even envy them ??...moreover they have their people in the right professions or positions to faclitate this process i hear the same stories in the US and Canada
When i saw the erection of that huge Hindu temple in North London that confirmed it all to me that we had wasted so much precious time focusing on all the wrong things
You already know the Eastern African Indians were made up of professionals so guess they just continued from where they left off in East Africa
If only we had the inclination and weren't so niave...guess our folks were too caught up owning those Commonwealth or Empire pasports and thought they were part and parcel of the British empire hence the allegiance ....when it got too late we realised oops!!...we have been suckered they don't really care about us we just somthing to be used and disposed....even after all that the next generation really went to town passing on the same sad legacy....well now where are we black on black violence some progress!!....though this is the way the media want to rubbish our existence in this cold cold country and those murderous swine are helping them who needs YT skinheads knocking off black people when we so much better at doing that.....

As i said back in the day has any black man or woman with a cracker left them for you.after you have cussed them or called them names? .Nope

One more thing on this lets be honest @Fred who really is thinking of taking anyone back no one gives a toss to be honest unless you super rich theres still enough single brothas and sistas out there to be waiting for someone who has sailed so closed to YT wind..

It's really funny how you sit here and talk about how you're pro-black this and Anti-nonAfrican that. Yet, someone who's half black like Sade you want to claim them as one of your own. Same damn thing with Vanessa Williams, Mariah Carey, Tiger Woods, Halle Berry, and numerous others. Stupid ass blacks are always trying to get them to be only black when they're not. That mess gets on my nerves. The main thing that I notice about some people who tend to be so pro-black and anti-non-black are the main damn hypocrites. Who the hell cares if she's half black? Sade looks no where near like a light skinned black. Please show me how she looks like a light skinned black woman. None of her features, hair, and skin tone is black. She looks like any ordinary mulatto or she even could pass as a Latin woman.

@FredBlack

Greetings Brother

I hear that Fred.

Historically, there has been a continuous African population in the UK for centuries, but the numbers seem to fall, rather than increase; hence the historical importance of African immigration in the 50's 60's from the Americas and the more recent immigration direct from the continent itself. In the past it has never seemed to matter where Africans came directly from, the result has been the same. As you have mentioned, our numbers are kept soo small here, via immigration control; this is obviously not coincidence and helps to aid our political disenfranchisment and help maintain the consistent historic theme.

Looking at the Diaspora again, we can see since 1834 that masses of Africans have joined the group, and the greater interests of the group (just as in slavery), actually dissolves much of their historic ethnic (and cultural bonds) to the continent, which to me is more because of racist western ideas of what progress and modernity mean within the Diasporic worldview.

The group of Africans I descend from, for example in JA, have next to forgotten the importance of their ancestral legacy ( I'm using my own family as a focus here); seeing the development of themselves and their current nation state (as most Africans do), as paramount and their only reality. The fact that they arrived after emancipation, has not been and important factor for them in particular, understanding the importance of our culture within history and areas around our social and economic development.

There are Africans in the Caribbean who have maintained their links to their family and ethnic groups on the Continent but the numbers are small compared to the high numbers of our people throughout the Americas and Europe.

The older colonies and modern nation state, seems to have had a particular, effect on the African, which I don't think we see to the same degree amongst other ethnic groups. This effect to me, is inherently violent in function, because people do not negate or undermine their own history and culture, willingly.

Peace.

Astmartins..I don't disagree with one thing you say. I don't have any sentimentality when it comes to certain things in life and as hard nosed as it gets..Each groups seeks to survive and develop using what they can how they can..If my African-CAribbeans folk play the arse that is their business. If some or too many have no respect for themselves or have nothing to conserve or defend that is their business. I will just rally with my peeps who share my beliefs and and keep distance from those who do not. If Nigerians or who ever have their shit together good for them..If Asians got their shit down cold good for them. I aint got time in life and never had for whingers..You understand what needs to be done or you don't. You understand what these European immigrants are about our you don't.

All communities who have sense are clear on fundamentals..Like me and my boys as i said previously we aint got time for these man woman debates and dramas..If we can't get women we want trust me press the button and things will be sorted to our satisfaction.Even if we got them already can still work..Hear me bro..Because its about children and numbers and resources not debate.. .It is that kind of realism man is dealing with, like all other communities..This aint no debating or arguing matter to us. All about action..

Agree down the line..It is just a rhetorical question. If you been with the enemy that long who is lining up for you anyhow..Not this brother..Send that de-contamination centre to clean out and detox that mother..

@AlabamaGirl

It's really funny how you sit here and talk about how you're pro-black this and Anti-nonAfrican that. Yet, someone who's half black like Sade you want to claim them as one of your own. Same damn thing with Vanessa Williams, Mariah Carey, Tiger Woods, Halle Berry, and numerous others. Stupid ass blacks are always trying to get them to be only black when they're not. That mess gets on my nerves. The main thing that I notice about some people who tend to be so pro-black and anti-non-black are the main damn hypocrites. Who the hell cares if she's half black? Sade looks no where near like a light skinned black. Please show me how she looks like a light skinned black woman. None of her features, hair, and skin tone is black. She looks like any ordinary mulatto or she even could pass as a Latin woman.

I shouldn't even reply you but felt compelled ....What's all this lets deal with reality here some half blacks would eventually marry a black or a YT partner.
Who's claiming who??....Sade never made a secret of neither was she ashamed of her nigerian roots actually that was her attraction to AAs and Africans alike so stop your grovelling
for the record not claiming anyone don't give a toss however have no qulams with mixed race people who associate with their African part....so you've never seen some of those AA and Caribbean light skinned Black women that remotely look like Sade we see them plenty here.....