Believe! I remember that programme like it was yesterday and was cringing and shaking my head in disgust. They were literally bypassing African girls and asking asian women if they'd ever go out with black men, then you had that fool David Matthews speaking for the entire African male population by stating the reason "we" check for asian girls is because "we" want to "break the taboo" or some bullshit like that.

@PH. Who is David Matthews?? I do remember seeing a forbidden fruit programme but I can only remember when they were talking to a group black women and why DONT check for white men. One of the sisters said "its like wanting Chinese and getting toast".... How I laughed. That was her comparision between brothers and white men!!

Also I remember seeing Hakim Adi who was one of my lecturers at uni...but I cant remember seeing these coons begging it with sukhraj et al......
I'm even suprised there were Asian girls willing to go on tv and admit they would go out with a black man. I'm sure even just saying that let alone doing it must cause controversy!!! They must not have known it was for tv or they just didn't want to hurt the poor coons feelings as they know how their very existence is based purely on whether anything but black checks for them.....

You should check out the mostly black female site blackhairmedia.com in the talk, talk, talk forum at the bottome of the page. Those women over there obsess over men of other races just about every day. There have been threads on white men, one on Asian men that was over 20 pages long. Even pakistani. There have been at least three threads discussing interracial couples, mainly celebrities. Some of them were talking about how much they looooove interracial relationships. There are two on there right now about Afro-Latino and Samoan men. I doubt any of these men are sitting up here on their forums obsessing about how good looking black women are or black people in general. I only remember one thread that was started about black men that didn't get any longer than seven pages. I never bothered to start one because it wouldn't get too many replies like that one. In the past few days there also have been a couple of threads talking about black love and families on television. Of course they were only a few pages long and are not on the front page or at least the fifth page of the forum. Just awful. Interracial relationships are more popular than black on black love these days.

Some info on him here:


Ligali | Media | The Trouble with Black Men

Wait a mintue Fredblack,My statements were only base on information and testing that has already been done on Afro-caribbeans. Nothing more. Jamaicans may make up 95% of the people in the UK. But I'm refering to overall testing done throughout the islands. Infact Jamaicans a some of the least mixed blacks in the caribbean. So in the UK jamaicans are more closer genetically to Africans because of mixing with native West Africans aswell as ancestry.

Some like singer Jamelia whos Jamaican and Nigerian would be less mixed than a native jamaican or other caribbean regardless of skin colour. And thats the truth, no ignorance about it. But you are right about skin colour being 'physically' a common way to tell whos mixed or not. Its not like that all the time though Fred.



No ignorace just truth:

Gene science helps black Britons trace African roots :

"The study, commissioned by the BBC for the programme Motherland, found that 26 per cent of the Afro-Caribbean men carried a male Y chromosome of European origin, which they could only have inherited from a white male.

In contrast, the men's mitochondrial DNA – which they could only have inherited from their mothers through their maternal line – is less than 2 per cent white in origin.

Mark Jobling, a geneticist at Leicester University, who took part in the study, said the conclusion was that whereas sex between white women and black men during slavery was almost non-existent, sex between white men and black women during the same period was quite common. "[Slavery] was a power relationship between two populations and in that power relationship, it was European men who were having sex with African women," Dr Jobling said."

The volunteers for the study were selected partly on the basis that all their grandparents were black and originally from the Caribbean. This excluded the possibility of gene shuffling due to more recent mixed-race marriages, Dr Jobling said.
Using the DNA analysis, the programme makers were able to trace the part of Africa and the Caribbean where some of the volunteers are thought to have roots. The film follows the emotional journey these people make.

Gene science helps black Britons trace African roots - Independent Online Edition > Science & Tech



Mitochondrial and Y Chromosome Diversity in the English-Speaking Caribbean :


Genetic structure was observed between the islands for both genetic systems. This may be due to isolation, differences in the number and source of Africans imported, depopulation of indigenous populations, and/or differences in colonization history. Nearly 10% of the individuals belonged to a non-African mitochondrial haplogroup. In contrast, Y chromosome admixture estimates showed that there was nearly 30% European contribution to these Caribbean populations. This study sheds light on the history of Africans in the Americas as well as contributing to our understanding of the nature and extent of diversity within the African Diaspora.


IngentaConnect Mitochondrial and Y Chromosome Diversity in the English-Speaking ...

Fred, if even the European version of history supports the historical fact that for centuries, Africans have been a continuous majority throughout the Islands political histories, one has to admit (when our existence is questioned by our own soo often) that Ideological warfare (mental slavery) against the African and their existence is just as powerful as the past military and physical conflicts that helped create today's social order.


"Race mixing" then, put into this context, highlights the European concept of "Race" which was designed to empower no one but the whites.

Why, if all people on planet Earth, are descended from Africans, why does the idea of purity of blood, become a disabling element for Africans in the Americas, but not for whites who all descend from Africans (with recent African descendants, a common phenomonen). I've never heard them debate that they are not Europeans or inheritors of Europe's impostition into the world??




"No one can attain ancestral status without having led a morally good life, according to traditional African moral standards. For an ancestor is regarded as a model or exemplar of conduct in the community, and as source of tribal tradition and its stability. "

Charles Nyamiti
ANCESTOR VENERATION IN AFRICA


Africans did not base our heritage on colour of skin but on our ancestors: those we were proud of and who were proud of us. Thinking then based upon skin colour and the european madness around white people being "pure", superior and naturally favored by God (European concept of Race), can only oppress those it was designed to kill in the first place.

White people, therefore, in particular the slaveowning, rapist and kidnapping class of pirates are not our ancestors; just as all of them never see Africans as theirs, and Africa as their home.

The culture of a people is what gives them life and then looks to protect and develop that gift. Africans in Diaspora have soo many Ancestors who we recall within our own historic tradition. All of our great people spoke about our journey.



When the Civil rights movement of the 60's allowed Africans to shout "I am somebody!!" what or who was that somebody??

People without a history become less than human because all humans have a story and Journey that has informed them. Africans, who stop being Africans stop existing; for how can a people who in their own minds, cease to exist in the past, now exist in the present, nevermind the future ??

This can only cause mental illness and does.


Martin Luther King Jr, on paying tribute to Marcus Garvey while in Jamaica (1968) said Garvey gave Africans in America a "sense of personhood, a sense of manhood, a sense of somebodiness".

Garvey unequivocally and without fear reminded all of us, who we are (Africans), where we come from (Africa) and where we should look for inspiration (Africa).

This made him one of the greatest men of the last century, not because of what he said, which was only the truth. The reason why Garvey was great is because the Africans themselves had been made to fear and be forgetful of who they had been, who they were and what with effort, they could be.

Peace

Black chat reading that statistic on face value could be about right but also deceptive..First my man confirms what i have said from day one sexual reltions during slavery was between black women and white men and hence that is where the colour hierarchy comes from and more about women than men actually. I am glad Alabama girl actually makes the point because when men make the point a lot of women cannot handle it..They are more obsessed by colour than men..given producing such colour offspring was a sign of status to them not men..

However, mixed genetic backgrounds are also caused by inter marriage given the population sizes of the Caribbean is so small it is likely that a large number of this genetic transference is due to that. Hence i have Carib genetic markers because my granny was Carib. So it is not simply a case of sexual contact eg white men or other men and black women but reproduction through family lines and then intermarrige with other people.who may also have the same thing going on..

But the notion of white men having sex with the majority female population was a joke and mythology which is why you will find stud farms for want of a better term literally in every type of slave system..In other words those not produced by ordinary Africans in normal ways was produce by other Africans in extraordinary circumstances not white men. Remember colour hiearchy only works if it is limited to a minority..It loses its value is everyone is in it..So i suggest a lot of this genetic mix is through subsequent marriage or reproduction..

25 percent as cited in that article is not a bad statistic if we take it at face value and not examine the methodology and what islands were included or not because i can guarantee a lot of islands were not included..But it is still good when you think the amount of genetic mixing within the British population is about that or even higher. However there is a big difference in saying about one quarter of the Caribbean people are potentially mixed with differing ratios given various islands as that is a wholesale figure,compared to the assertion almost 95 per cent of African Caribbean in this country is mixed which is self evident nonsense and actually raises questions about the other figure cited actually.

Breadfruit Peace my dear brother..This as you said is ideological warfare against our history , heritage and identity..as a people. While I don't mind my enemy to flex like that when our people internalise and reproduce this shit that is what gets me..It highlights what i always say when we don't know for self rely on the enemy because he will answer all questions...Right..I go to Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad, Dominican Republic, Antigua, St Lucia, Grenada, St Vincent, Union Islands, Montserrat etc and how those the average African look to me same as anywhere else.. The only place you see a lot of mix race people is Guadalupe and Martinique and they still aint the majority but white men live their in big numbers as they did back in the day and do now..

This is an ideological one drop rule used to divide and attack our people, but not applied to whites or others like Jews who are a mongrel people amongst mongrel peoples..Study their blood lines and ancestry come like a jig saw of every nationality known to man..

As i said when we do not know for ourselves we always run to the enemy who has answers to all questions when if we knew more about our own through our own we would know how to take these statistics and figures and not promote his agenda in the process. Right so the majority of us are mixed so why not just breed every white gal in town because it is no biggie given our alleged heritages..Once wrote a paper that got a lot of love if not interest on why is it from day one when we look at representations of family life black men and white women have always been the preferred choices of white programme makers..Long before this was a serious isssue.. These people want to genetically wipe us out..

That's the War brother; remove the enemy.

As you said " when we do not know for ourselves we always run to the enemy who has answers to all questions ", for when we stop valuing ourselves, we by default (socialization) will value others; especially those who have power - because we need to eat and cloth ourselves.

Making us then both politically and economically dependent people (slaves).

Africans in Azania (South Africa), in the 1970's voiced this ideological dynamic thru the Black Consciousness movement and the eloquence of Steve Biko.............

"What Black Consciousness seeks to do is to produce at the output end of the process, real black people who do not regard themselves as appendages to white society. This truth cannot be reversed. We do not need to apologise for this because it is true that the white systems have produced throughout the world a number of people who are not aware that they too are people. "

Steve Biko



Peace

uk is done, especially southlondon. been living here for few weeks now and shit is outta controll. the nerves of some of these white women to look at a blkman for being with his fellow blk woman is just baffling. its like they saying you should not be with your own(my hatred for them gets higher everyday and my hatred for ir daters is on the rise. i have had cases were some whitewoman have stopped and stared watching me and my girl holding hands on the road.(am i the only one this shit happens to?, it happens sparingly but happens all the same). i mean wtf is this shit? now i make it clear to anywhite women looking my way that i aint interested. i dont even make eye contact with these people.

the insecurity of the whiteman when it comes to us. makes me see then for the bitches they are . im walking on the street minding my business and this white foolish man- stops kisses his wife or girlfriend while looking at me and keeps on walking..i laughed at the loser. shit are these the kinda people you ir dating ******s wana be with? they good luck. shit my own mama learnt her lesson and swore never to go that route again lol. that itself is a long story.

last week im at the busstop and this mixed raced girl is kissing a white man while laughing out loud looking at me trying to get some reaction from me or wat i dunno wat her aim was. the fool kissing an enemy that raped her grandmama four hundred years ago and he probably will not take her seriously.

lol-i love taking the piss out these people they entertain me.

I have heard some stories on blackhairmedia.com about this weird behavior. There was this thread that several women had made comments about white women giving them strange, dirty looks for being with a black man. It is so illogical. There is no way in hell any non-black can tell a black woman that she can't be with someone of her own race. These bitches are so used to so many black men falling all over them wherever they are that they can't even stand the fact most black men want to be with a woman who is black. It doesn't make them feel special and desired when they see things like this.