Blacks Who Marry Whites - Past and Present - Page 4

astmartins · (#76 (**permalink**))

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Judge J's point exactly...send them to Africa or the Carib thats what i recommend have that culture re-embedded in them
As for June Sarpong just to chip in she got dumped by that Labour party lackey David Lammy and i doubt if any of the black dudes in the entertainment business gave her a second look being a dark skinned sista and all...
Having said that some black people keep deluding themselves into thinking people from the Med(spain-italy-greece) e.t.c ain't Europeans they all have bloodlines to the British Royal family....
The UK do not want to face up to their problems constantly showing YT yanks as backward on race issues and integration whereas they should first remove the wool in their eyes they ain't fooling us with their subtle-covert-divisive race politics...
Their main objective is to do away with all the laws that protect ethnicities from racism and promote this one love multi-cultural family...go into the hinterland of england you would see some pure YT communities never had any dealings with blacks.... its only in the major cities that are sold on that Mcutural crap bottom line if we don't love each other first who would??

BLACKCHAT · (#77 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by fredblack 2

Black chat reading that statistic on face value could be about right but also deceptive..First my man confirms what i have said from day one sexual reltions during slavery was between black women and white men and hence that is where the colour hierarchy comes from and more about women than men actually. I am glad Alabama girl actually makes the point because when men make the point a lot of women cannot handle it..They are more obsessed by colour than men..given producing such colour offspring was a sign of status to them not men..

However, mixed genetic backgrounds are also caused by inter marriage given the population sizes of the Caribbean is so small it is likely that a large number of this genetic transference is due to that. Hence i have Carib genetic markers because my granny was Carib. So it is not simply a case of sexual contact eg white men or other men and black women but reproduction through family lines and then intermarrige with other people.who may also have the same thing going on..

But the notion of white men having sex with the majority female population was a joke and mythology which is why you will find stud farms for want of a better term literally in every type of slave system..In other words those not produced by ordinary Africans in normal ways was produce by other Africans in extraordinary circumstances not white men. Remember colour hiearchy only works if it is limited to a minority..It loses its value is everyone is in it..So i suggest a lot of this genetic mix is through subsequent marriage or reproduction..

25 percent as cited in that article is not a bad statistic if we take it at face value and not examine the methodology and what islands were included or not because i can guarantee a lot of islands were not included..But it is still good when you think the amount of genetic mixing within the British population is about that or even higher. However there is a big difference in saying about one quarter of the Caribbean people are potentially mixed with differing ratios given various islands as that is a wholesale figure,compared to the assertion almost 95 per cent of African Caribbean in this country is mixed which is self evident nonsense and actually raises questions about the other figure cited actually.

What are you talking about ? Those stats are about the history of all caribbean people. Men and Women. Both of whom had no rights or power back then. And whos more obsess about race and skin hue? I'd say the people who dislike to reproduce within their own ethnic group . As for the 'percentage'. Although I wonder if you read the article properly.

It said that it was required to have all four Black caribbean grandparents . This was done in the british test only because there is recent mixture with europeans and native Africans. Meaning there are some black people who were left out. An Example would be someone like Naomi campbell who has a Chinese grandmother. Also the article didn't say 95% of caribbean people are mixed. Rather that 1 in 7 black caribbean male has a white ancestor . In the caribbean test it states that the blacks are 30% european mix on average. Some lower and some higher. If they had to trace and test Africans in britain then they must look at the whole picture you know. How can I as an African Caribbean person claim to be opressed by Europeans and not come to terms with this part of history?

Gmahogany777 · (#78 (**permalink**))

I think it's interesting that Black folks who want to defend interracial relationships always PRESUME/try to play it like it is the BLack folks who date and marry other BLack folks who need to be lectured about love and happiness being more important than color/race/culture. The implication being that Black folks who date and marry their own, don't do so for love and happiness and that BLack folks who date and marry outside their group are the ones being motivated by love and happiness and not by color/race concerns and all these pure, high minded, color blind ideals. Balderdash. Any time a person of any racial group has a PREFERENCE for, or exclusively dates/marries people from OUTSIDE of their own group, it is THEY who are preoccupied with race. It is they who are equating being with a particular race,(any one other than their own, mind you) with love and happiness. That is their prerogative, just like it' my prerogative to adjudicate them as the self hating sell outs that I deem them to be. My only problem with them is when they try to couch what they are doing in something noble or high minded, like the rest of us just fell off of a phucking turnip truck or something, or try to cast aspersions on people of their own group to justify their own psychosis.

@Blackbutterfly, thanks for making the distinction between Blacks in the U.S. who go the IR route and BLacks in the UK who do. I meant to do that earlier. As you stated, usually the Black celebs who do that here, date and marry BLack folks up UNTIL they get rich and famous, whereas in your neck of the woods, fools come out the box with a preference for anything other than something BLack, which is even worse,imo, but only because of the large numbers of those who do so. Anyone can understand that in any group of people, you're going to have people who randomly deviate and are not attracted to those within their own culture, or just randomly fall for someone they didn't expect to fall for,(someone not in their culture, someone in their own gender, etc, etc), but when you have as many folks in a given group doing that, as not doing it, or the MAJORITY of people in a given group doing it, something is wrong, and it can not be chalked up to "random attraction" "colorblindness", or mamby pamby talk of "love and happiness", Al Green, not withstanding,lol.

Like the Brother in the youtube link said, you'd be hard pressed to name 5 white celebrities who are known to date/marry outside their race, in all of Hollywood. Besides Robert Deniro,(who has both dated and married Black women for eons), I'm having a hard time thinking of 4 more. Ron Perlman, that dude from the old tv show Beauty and the Beast, who is married to a Black woman. That's 2,lol. Yet, the list of BLack celebs who do it/have done it, goes on for days, and the list wasn't even complete, I can think of at least 1 or 2 folks he missed,lol. The rate of white celebs who date outside their race is less than the percentages for the general population of whites who do so. In other words, regular ol, non famous, non wealthy whites are more likely to date interacially than their rich and famous counterparts. While rich and famous BLacks are more likely to date interacially than their less rich and famous counterparts. That is very telling, and assbackwards as tends to be the case for Negroes.........

Le Moor · (#79 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Gmahogany777

Iike the Brother in the youtube link said, you'd be hard pressed to name 5 white celebrities who are known to date/marry outside their race, in all of Hollywood. Besides Robert Deniro,(who has both dated and married Black women for eons), I'm having a hard time thinking of 4 more. Ron Perlman, that dude from the old tv show Beauty and the Beast, who is married to a Black woman. That's 2,lol. Yet, the list of BLack celebs who do it/have done it, goes on for days, and the list wasn't even complete, I can think of at least 1 or 2 folks he missed,lol. The rate of white celebs who date outside their race is less than the percentages for the general population of whites who do so. In other words, regular ol, non famous, non wealthy whites are more likely to date interacially than their rich and famous counterparts. While rich and famous BLacks are more likely to date interacially than their less rich and famous counterparts. That is very telling, and assbackwards as tends to be the case for Negroes.........

Another possible reason for this, people often meet their partners in the environments they frequent. If white celebs were marrying ordinary working class joe publics then i'd have no point i think. Often they mix with people who they meet within their social circles.

As there is a much higher percentage of whites in afflent circles than blacks or other races, then naturally the result is going to equal white on white dating. I do feel this does play a big part in black celebs who date white. The circles they frequent dont pocess a high percentage of black people period, much less from the same sex. (particulary in the UK). The reason why they end up dating white is because their cultural grounding and unified spirit, isnt strong enough to pass this MINOR obstacle. Im fairly certain about this.

I do agree with your conclusion though. It is down to self hate, etc but more subconscious ills rather than out and out sell-out-manship.

Gmahogany777 · (#80 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Le Moor

Another possible reason for this, people often meet their partners in the environments they frequent. If white celebs were marrying ordinary working class joe publics then i'd have no point i think. Often they mix with people who they meet within their social circles.

As there is a much higher percentage of whites in afflent circles than blacks or other races, then naturally the result is going to equal white on white dating. I do feel this does play a big part in black celebs who date white. The circles they frequent dont pocess a high percentage of black people period, much less from the same sex. (particulary in the UK). The reason why they end up dating white is because their cultural grounding and unified spirit, isnt strong enough to pass this MINOR obstacle. Im fairly certain about this.

I do agree with your conclusion though. It is down to self hate, etc but more subconscious ills rather than out and out sell-out-manship.

You are absolutely right about white celebs basic motivation, that's why you see so many relationships between actors and actresses, or singers and actresses,etc. It doesn't explain Black celebs though. 9 times out of 10 when a Black celeb marries or dates white people they don't date anyone from the white celeb world, or even anyone from the new,rarerified circles they deal in,at all. They go get them a no account, broke ass white person, who was waiting tables or some ish, like OJ did Nicole Simpson and make THEM rich and famous,lol.

In AMerica there is no excuse for it. There are BLack folks EVERYWHERE. These Negroes could just as easily marry a Black waitress or bellhop, or stylist, or make up artist, if they were so inclined. There are plenty of affluent Black folks here, if one wants to marry someone "more on their level", but most don't even want anyone on their level, that's why they go find a white person who doesn't have 2 dimes to rub together. Like that broke ass white man, Whoopi Goldberg married back some years ago, and ended up having to pay spousal support to. They would never consider dealing with a Black person who was similarly situated.

In the UK, it seems to be a whole different thing. Regular BLack folks who aren't rich or famous there seem way more likely to not grow up in "Black culture", or a BLack community, so in many ways they really are not Black in a cultural sense(nefekare alluded to this in another thread). There are white folks who are more Black, culturally than they are,lol. It is borderline IMPOSSIBLE not to grow up BLack, culturally, in AMerica. A. It's too many of us here, and B. White folks will kindly direct you back towards that road, if you should somehow get lost. Growing up around white folks here, doesn't negate that. Some of the "Blackest" people we've ever produced in AMerica were born and raised amidst white folks,(Malcolm X who was born in Nebraska for God's sake, one of the whitest states in the union and grew up in white foster homes at some point), Chris Rock who lived in the Black community but was bussed to school in all white environs. A lot of the time, that type will develop the MOST aversion to white folks, cause they get to know them and their ways, much better than the average Negro.

blackbutterfly182 · (#81 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Judge J

We are stupidly breeding ourselves out of existence in this country.
There was programme on TV last year called The History of Black People in Britain (something like that).

It highlighted how by 2080 mixed race people will be the dominate race.
What was more saddening is that I heard various sellout/deluded black people on various commercial radio shows celebrating this notion.

The likes of David Matthew and Paul Mckenzie are white people who hide under the skin of Black people. Total media prostitutes whose aim in this life time is to lick the white mans backside for a bit of chump change.

I was having this discussion with friend of mine once, and hearing him speak just showed me how clueless some of our people are. Its like they live in lala land. He totally rejected the notion of black people being extinct in this country.

I sat him down,and gave him bits of info about what happened to the Black people on Argentina, Australia etc, yet he still refused to see sense.

He was telling me how multiculuralism is good because its a display of various races mixing and getting a long with each other.

I was ready to go into my kitchen pick up a Yam, and beat the hell out of him when he said this.

I personally cannot see myself marrying a white girl. I feel oat home with black women. There is an automatic connection .

What I have noticed is that whenever a black man marries/dates a white girl, he ends up hiding elements of himself, and selling his backside/literally jumping through hoops to satisfy the white girl parents.

When its a black woman with a white man, its the other way around.

Multiculuralism=Black annihilation/extinction. This is simply the Wests solution to the race problem. Instead of the West dealing with there insecurities, and there embedded racism,they will simply breed us out, therefore creating equality, as everyone will then be White/Near white.

Reading this thread has caused me to be cautious with my little brother now. If I leave him as he is now, he will end up going down that white girl route. He is i a catholic school, where black people are in the minority, his closest friends are white.

I swear one time he even told me he had a crush on Hermarni from Harry Potter.
I have been slowly injecting some form of consciousness into him. However its hard considering the amount of time he spends at school.

Ill end it there before I go off the point

That is so true I have seen it happen time and time again.....My aunts good friend's oldest son has ended up with a grey to say his mum was NOT happy is an understatement. I think the girl's parents were actually quite shocked when they met her and her outspoken-ness on that she would prefer her son to be with a black woman....I think that also speaks volumes of some white peoples arrogance to find out that not all black people want their sons or daughters to be with greys...

Anyway he moved in with HER family, and when I say they are trash I ain't lying. NONE of them work, he is the only one in the house who does. The girl looks like Waynetta. Anyway he is there like some slave working bringing money home for ALL of them. The mum is not happy has called the girl white trash etc as she is just so upset he has reduced himself to that.....Also they have a child but the mum is convinced it is not his and has told him to get a DNA test as the girl is a slosh and seems to have been with lots of black men before, but just that the son is the fool who will look after her and her family.....

But when I see black women with white men they tend not to lose their culture so quickly and forget who they are. They will also educate them about where they are from and not try to hide it. However this is not always the case......

@Gmahogany. Its gotten to the point where you have to really think hard of black couples in the spotlight here. Even on tv they are not promoted and if there are the the man will end up sleeping with a white woman (Patrick Trueman). I think most of us look to the US when thinking of black couples. The only ones I can think of tend to be the Continental African footballers, so I think it suggests that there is something definetly happening in the UK that ain't quite right.......

The multicultural/IR daters try to ram their message of love, peace blah blah! down our throats as they are not truly comfortable with what they are doing. They are trying to SELL their ****ed up ideas to the rest of us and try to CONVINCE us it is the right thing because deep down they know they are sell-outs its like they need to validated by others doing it too, so not to out there on their own as it were. Its funny as racism/prejudice never seem to affect these types of people either, its as if they make themselves blind to it or just don't want to admit the person they are tucked up with could possibly be racist and may even display racist attitudes/behaviour but these coons will happily turn a blind eye........

If you were truly happy and with someone for the right reasons why would you need to harp on about IR dating and how its the best thing since slice bread?? This obviously suggests you are not happy with what you are doing and/or like you say actually more obsessed by race than people who only marry/date their own.

That is true about being around whites. I grew up and went to school in an all white environment. But I really do know exactly how they work, especially with their subtle covert ways. Very sly, two-faced back stabbing operators. I learnt this big-time at school.......

clubland459 · (#82 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by alabamagirl

Well, if you didn't come on here for crap like this then you are entitled to leave. No one here is forcing you to stay here. Okay? So take this.

Your behaviour is a disgrace and you've shown yourself for what you really are, a small minded bigot.

astmartins · (#83 (**permalink**))

@LeMoor
Disagree to an extent to which @Gmahogany has partially addressed.c'mon now over here we know enough fine US black actresses...if you out of the loop try Brown Sista » Black Female Celebrities
In the UK thats so not right lets take the footballers those YT girls they lust over do not work in the same industry they provide a form of entertainment for the footballers and then it leads to something else this are low crass women not the high end YT actresses .Sol Campbell is the only footballer that tried to reach out to those high end YT actresses and got burnt but he has also dated sistas..Maybe the attraction to those low crass YT women could have something to do with the background of the footballers.Now compare that with the class of black women married to a few of the black footballers...Harvey is not even a major playa yet he married alicia Dixon now isn't she more classy and refined than all those YT tarts they pick up from those west-end clubs put together
This country gives me joke there are some YT people that feel the black culture more than some blacks who are actually running away from it ...it really perplexes those YT people into our thangs

@Blackbutterfly
If its a proper black woman she would be the one doing most of the cooking it would no doubt be black delicacies to which the YT man would be eternally grateful for...

@gmahogany
Thanks for writing in YT...but some good observations

blackbutterfly182 · (#84 (**permalink**))

@astmartins. Thats the point these women tend to be trash. Not really the type of girls that any self-respecting man would take home to meet his mum, maybe press but not marriage material. But you know if these types of women were black they would not get a bly, no way. Black women have to jump through hoops in the UK to "prove" they are even worthy to link a guy let alone get serious with one.

Le Moor · (#85 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by astmartins

@LeMoor
Disagree to an extent to which @Gmahogany has partially addressed.c'mon now over here we know enough fine US black actresses...if you out of the loop try Brown Sista » Black Female Celebrities
In the UK thats so not right lets take the footballers those YT girls they lust over do not work in the same industry they provide a form of entertainment for the footballers and then it leads to something else this are low crass women not the high end YT actresses .Sol Campbell is the only footballer that tried to reach out to those high end YT actresses and got burnt but he has also dated sistas..Maybe the attraction to those low crass YT women could have something to do with the background of the footballers.Now compare that with the class of black women married to a few of the black footballers...Harvey is not even a major playa yet he married alicia Dixon now isn't she more classy and refined than all those YT tarts they pick up from those west-end clubs put together
This country gives me joke there are some YT people that feel the black culture more than some blacks who are actually running away from it ...it really perplexes those YT people into our thangs

@Blackbutterfly

You disagree with me now theres a surprise. Have you ever engaged with me any other way?

Nah, maybe in the States but over here the amount of Black People in the rich and famous bars, clubs, hotels etc is vastly in the miniority, plus there are few to zero venues for the rich and famous which are entirely black oreintated. You used footballers which is the WORST example of them all. On the whole these guys hang out totally around white people, plus the ones outside London LIVE totally amongst them as well.

So how do you figure their environments arent white?