According to The Department of Immunology and Molecular Biology, H. 12 de Octubre, Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain that have complete the survey “HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks ,“ greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups.

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Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt. Also the sickle-cell anemia or malarial-immune engrams, which the littoral Greek and African populations are medically known to share!

The Haplotypes which are shared between Greeks and Africans are E3b, and Haplotype R. Haplotype R is Eurasian in origin, and its prescence in African populations (particularly Nigeria) researchers believe represents an ancient migration into the Cameroons from Eurasia.

Haplotype E3b is found in high numbers in Berbers and Arabs (80%, 70%), in medium numbers from the Middle East to the central Mediterranean (26% in Lebanese, 22% in Greece, 14% in Macedonia), and in low numbers throughout the rest of Europe (eg. 6.2 in Germany, 2.2 % in Spanish Basques).

HLA alleles have been determined in individuals from the Republic of Macedonia by DNA typing and sequencing. HLA-A, -B, -DR, -DQ allele frequencies and extended haplotypes have been for the first time determined and the results compared to those of other Mediterraneans, particularly with their neighbouring Greeks. Genetic distances, neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analysis have been performed.

The following conclusions have been reached:

1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Armenians and Iranians;

2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum;

3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310.

Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt.

turning history upside down here. the same old, same old. when are these people going to stop? can someone answer me this?

Africans didn't fan outwards from Africa in numbers significant enough to cause a lasting change to the genetic make up of any caucasian group. that is a lie. Africans went everywhere, but their genetic heritage has almost completely been wipped out.

the fact this account of events tries to obfuscate is that the entire Aegian civilization was an African civilization that was raided and destroyed by northern (then considered southern) caucasians. wave after wave of invaders laid to waste civilizations that had previously flourished here. this is documented.

because local African populations were numerous, the interbreeding that occured changed the exterior of the people, but obviously significant genetic traces of Africans were left behind.

these invaders were actually into ethnic clensing. they killed off half caste populations whenever they felt like it, so it is a wonder the African gene is still detectable in Greeks.

the invasions from the north had as an aim the looting of everything the other worked for. they wanted to take the riches, the culture, and eventually, as was witnessed in Egypt, they wanted to take over the very lives of Africans... wtf... Egypt's fate was similar to that suffered by all the islands in that region, from crete to mainland Greece. nothing that happened here was new. a splendid civilization was laid to waste, everything stolen.

there is too much vested interest in switching the stories so that it looks like Africans did stuff, went into caucasian countries, all in the name of this continuing mission of imperialism, whereas the truth is that we are descendants of people who were driven out of that region. our physical beings testify to the fact a lot of us are more addapted to the mediterrenean climate, and savanahs, than the tropics.

Some of our own scholars say that the Ancient Greek civilizations weren't African but that the Greeks used brown paint to depict peoples, perhaps in the same way the peoples of Kamit would paint in a red or yellow hue, think the men were in red the women in yellow, ochre, still used on the continent amongst certain peoples.

Is interesting as I've been to cyprus, on tour around the sites there the guide said the same, that they ''just used brown paint sometimes'' obviously took it as an insult, the type you'd get in Egypt, ''the wood has rotted'' type of nonsence but was surprised to hear it from our own historian/s namely Robin Walkers 'When we ruled'.

And What?...

What does all the above achieve or prove?

That 3 groups share similar DNA strains.

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Originally Posted by Black Lion Some of our own scholars say that the Ancient Greek civilizations weren't African but that the Greeks used brown paint to depict peoples, perhaps in the same way the peoples of Kamit would paint in a red or yellow hue, think the men were in red the women in yellow, ochre, still used on the continent amongst certain peoples.

the history of the area inhabited by what today are called Greeks, is very interesting, especially that of the place referred to historically as the Aegean. you should read up on it and try to use your imagination to find out exactly what happened, especially since his-torians will not reveal the truth. Too many of them have vested interests in keeping accounts the way they are, or they are working under pressure.

for us Africans the imperative is to be a scientist, a specialist, because hidden between the lines you will find a lot of truth. In this story, references of the race of the original people are abundant. also abundant are accounts of why they were attacked, over and over again, then finally subjugated and extirpated, how these waves of attacks took over group after group, from one island to the next. the most important thing to brainstorm over is why, just after invading and conquering, the invading force always seemed to plunder into a dark age shortly thereafter, a period where the rule of the jungle prevailed.

did the new civilization get the better of them to render their true colours more visible than before? Was it like crack cocaine that brings out a person’s worst. Or best? I mean, they were just being their own barbaric selves when they plundered and pillaged, but after getting the loot the barbarism turned in on itself, every time, so that the thief was the one who was in danger of demise.

This is not the pharaoh’s curse. There is something going on here that people have not looked deep into. there are a lot of parallels to be drawn with the current civilization, but important for us in understanding their relationship to these old people, and their fears is their zeal to incorporate so much of KMT wisdom into the adopted culture called civilization today. It is not original to Europe, that much is for sure, but Europeans are also not the same immature barbarians who laid civilization after another to waste. Along the way they have matured, and something about this reality has convinced me westerners have grown up to the reality high culture that is adopted (forced out of the hands of an indigenous/congenial culture) can be very dangerous in the wrong hands. it can destroy, rather than gift. It is like an African story I was told of a magic wand that can do all manner of tricks for the one who made it, but is stolen and in the hands of the thief who did not know all the words that make it work properly, it became a health hazard. In this story the thief knew the magic words, but didn’t know how to make the wand stop making what he had asked for, when no specific number was given, for example make me three bananas.

A children’s story that I feel quite explains a lot where what has gone wrong with the west and high culture is concerned. Westerners have woken up to this truth, hence their almost religious need to take over every aspect of the indigenous/congenial culture (cults, occult, checking in on African writers… lol), to both prevent the self destructive vortex that ensues every time high culture has successfully been stolen, and enable it to give benefits without it becoming a danger to the new possessor.

i have done a lot of thinking over how this works, and i think i can explain just why those dark ages occurred, why it is very important for the west today to have all them isis cults and such.

i read up on the history of the islands in detail, some time ago, quite a bit ago i need to do some refreshing now, but a few facts are still etched in my memory that prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, that what happened to the people of these islands is exactly the same thing that happened to ancient KMT. the invading tribesmen were driven by the same desires as their forefathers who ruined other civilizations, by the same people/race for that matter, as were the invading people, the same races and mentalities. they were after that magic wand these black people had perfected over the ages, make no mistake about this. they wanted to have it, and kill the possessor, then claim they made it. They did do just this, but seems the details evaded them in the first encounters. they thought they could do it properly the next time, and the next, etc. a trail of destructive events after, spanning thousands of years, and a lot of maturing, they finally took over KMT, and this time, even though they lost it to the Arabs for a while, and plunged into a dark age again, they managed to make it pay the full dividend.

references to the invaders not being the same people as the locals are abundant in the Aegean, either in the paintings, comparing these with the plagiarisms of original cultures of the invading tribes, or accounts by the new rulers themselves. the galas were half-castes who would not be allowed to participate especially in imperialism. this means the men went to war and left the slaves behind. when they came back, these slaves would be cavorting with the women, and murder rampages would ensue.

i think the black people who lived here, and in KMT itself, were for some strange reason very conservative (or racist) in the sense they kept everything to themselves for thousands of years. They managed to gain a lot of knowledge, developed technologies that were more advanced than even the present culture can manage, and obviously they could travel around our planet as much as people do today, otherwise a lot of the knowledge is just impossible, yet, for some reason, they left a group of people in barbarism and backwardness. Here we are not talking safe barbarism because expeditions to pacify the barbarians were very common for KMT, nor are we talking something lasting a few centuries, but thousands of years. the Dogon were talking details about other galaxies invisible to the naked eye, and someone in Europe was still baying at the moon.

Forget the stories the white race is a young race, or that i am being insulting, just telling it as it is, there is something very sinister about this state of affairs, and perhaps the anger and dedication with which the white race set about attempting to annihilate the African race can give us an explanation of that it is that happened in the past betweenn these two, whatit is black people either did or didn't do, for self serving reasons maybe. Also, this thing of developing while others cannot even read or write, let alone speak, but be able to burn each other’s villages, wage wars with good military prowess, is strange because eventually they could come to visit you with their thing, no? they should have done something about this before it was too late, like share enlightenement. why didn't they?

Yes, but as I stated...And what?

You know the History Channels can be quite enlightening

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i think the black people who lived here, and in KMT itself, were for some strange reason very conservative (or racist) in the sense they kept everything to themselves for thousands of years. They managed to gain a lot of knowledge, developed technologies that were more advanced than even the present culture can manage, and obviously they could travel around our planet as much as people do today, otherwise a lot of the knowledge is just impossible, yet, for some reason, they left a group of people in barbarism and backwardness. Here we are not talking safe barbarism because expeditions to pacify the barbarians were very common for KMT, nor are we talking something lasting a few centuries, but thousands of years. the Dogon were talking details about other galaxies invisible to the naked eye, and someone in Europe was still baying at the moon. .

Weak genes, the same is true of the Aryans and their attacks on India, they kept on being absorbed into the peoples and so had to develop means of oppressing them totally to distance themselves from them or be at contant risk of being absorbed.

Where I distance myself from the whole albino Vs ancient black nation bit is in considering the fact that they could easily have wiped them out, the black indians could have wiped out the ayrans judging by the culture left in the Indus Valley in comparison to a peoples who couldn't read or write as you said... guess it would have been troublesome confronting a barbaric, brutal force such as theirs... perhaps it was the structure of society back then, they were more conserned with maintaining high cultures than with waging war... but if they were troublesome war shouldn't have been an issue unless they were partial toward them?

Theres supposed to be a gate blocking acess from the caucus mountains to the middle east have you heard of that one? Have to admit, other than Africa the caucus mountains is a trip thats high on my list, don't think its possible but it'd be worth a visit.

Watched a brilliant Star Trek episode, think it was a movie, not sure but it was about a ''race'' of peoples on a planet that allowed them to be immortal. The voyagers went there and gradually became younger and would have stayed at a certain age living alongside the race of immortals... anyway the peoples were being attacked by a wicked group of people who wanted to wipe them out and take the planet for themselves as they constantly had to attend to their bodies and faces as they were falling apart, they streached the excess skin like a face lift... so they made this illusionary world, exactly the same as the ''immortals'' world but it was a hologram on a ship, they intended to get them on and remove them en mass from the planet. Of course Jean Luke and his crew weren't going to have it as he had falling in love with one of them and blah blah blah... story goes on now and it turns out that the wicked millitant race were the children of the ''immortal'' peoples... they had left the planet for some reason, somethnig had happened and they were now attacking their own people attempting to take over and have the planet for themselves.

Paralells too closely to our theory on the ''white'' peoples being albino versions of black nations, returning with a vengance.

Found it; Star Trek: Insurrection (1998)

How do Nigerians fit into this. They had no contacts with Greece at all. There are some Greeks today who are mixed with a little black ancestry from ancient times, but it comes from East Africa, not Nigeria.

that's because nigerians matter more than any other group of blacks for one reason or another. they have overtaken African Americans and caribeans, who used to matter but now no more, been reduced to a shambles with that internecine violence kniving and shooting.

all of this endearing has as a purpose to get Nigerians feeling counted, accepted, appreciated, not alienated.

tricky...