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28-06-08, 12:54 PM
incognito,
I think today slavery in the West has been replaced with Interest Rates. These that recieve interest on their money are indirectly in power and those that are having to pay it are in servitude.
Along with the idea of Africans having a significant impact in the Americas is another revisionist theory: White Slavery
or The Forgotten Cargo
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28-06-08, 01:10 PM
Dada - it's why I have an admiration for a Muslim friend of mine, talented to the hilt with all kinds of banks wanting to recruit him yet his faith dictates he can't work for anyone who makes money from interest. Indeed he says nuff man has left the faith to go there.
As the saying goes, they've removed the chains because they have our brains.
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28-06-08, 07:07 PM
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What is the origin of slavery, why did Africans sold other Africans to the white man?
Africans are in all continents as former slaves. There is no record of a Caucausian slaves in Africa.
Are Africans to be blamed
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African's, like the rest of the world, had prisoners of war, which they put to work as slaves. I think it was just bad timing that Westerners came and exploited that. A direct reflection of African involvement in slavery is in the U.S. it has been well known that some african americans were involved in being plantation masters.
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28-06-08, 07:09 PM
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Get off the internet and go find some books to read.
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28-06-08, 10:37 PM
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The cavat was of course: " Assuming of course that would have been their primary reason for engaging foreign cultures. "
Assuming that the authors assumptions are correct.
So was you speaking from your mind or quoting an author?
So you are in agreement with the rest of the comments made ?
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Generally yes.
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28-06-08, 10:41 PM
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African's, like the rest of the world, had prisoners of war, which they put to work as slaves. I think it was just bad timing that Westerners came and exploited that. A direct reflection of African involvement in slavery is in the U.S. it has been well known that some african americans were involved in being plantation masters.
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And Africans involved in catching runaways and destroying maroon communities across the americas too. Funny how very few people lay the blame of slavery and its existance on African collorborators in the West. Almost every rebellion was sold out due to an informer in the African ranks. Almost every one.
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28-06-08, 10:49 PM
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As the saying goes, they've removed the chains because they have our brains.
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I like that one. For a great example of the quote I once did a dream dairy for 30 days, you know each time you wake up your write your dreams down on a note pad . I was very shocked to see just how many of my dreams related to what I had seen on television the night before. As a consequence I got rid of my Television for two years only to succumb to the tempation later.
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28-06-08, 11:57 PM
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@markey
"How come africans mainly sold other africans as slaves? the short answer
they were stupid dumb ****s!
Don't make grand comments on things you cannot even start to comprehend!!..Ask yourself why would a nation sell en-masse some of their strongest warriors??
Or do you think conquering other tribes on such a large scale throughout the Continent was done without some outside interference like we saw in the Civil Wars in the 90s in Africa..just try and put the emotions aside for a minute and look at things logically because this type of rhetoric has gotten the Blak Diasporans nowhere but create more animosity between all people of Black extract..do comprehend @Breadfruits note.....theres a lot in that little text
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Well just call me emotional then !
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29-06-08, 02:30 AM
How Europe Underdeveloped Africa. Walter Rodney 1973
Chapter Three. Africa’s Contribution to European Capitalist Development — the Pre-Colonial Period
3.1 How Europe Became the Dominant Section of a World-wide Trade System
"...Many guilty consciences have been created by the slave trade. Europeans know that they carried on the slave trade, and Africans are aware that the trade would have been impossible if certain Africans did not co-operate with the slave ships. To case their guilty conscience, Europeans try to throw the major responsibility for the slave trade on to the Africans. One European author of a book on the slave trade (appropriately entitled Sins of Our Fathers) explained how many other white people urged him to state that the trade was the responsibility of African chiefs, and that Europeans merely turned up to buy the captives — as though without European demand there would have been captives sitting on the beach by the millions!
Issues such as those are not the principal concern of this study, but they can be correctly approached only after understanding that Europe became the centre of a world-wide system and that it was European capitalism which set slavery and the Atlantic slave trade in motion..."
If we do not have an accurate analysis of the problem, we cannot possibly develop a good strategy to resolve it.
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29-06-08, 10:07 AM
as though without European demand there would have been captives sitting on the beach by the millions!
Africans cannot even agree on one thing today makes it even nore absurd that the Traditional Chiefs back then single-handedly converged and made a concerted effort to reign in millions of slaves waiting to be carted away...SHOCKING!!
one will need a bigger lie to cover the first one
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29-06-08, 11:20 AM
Said it before and guess I'll say it again, in all tragedies and wars of the world espionage and sellout business is part and parcel of that game. Don't let that detract from the real crime of enslavement and the de-humanising of Africans.
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30-06-08, 10:52 AM
europeans do everything on a larger industrial scale, be it slavery or geneocide,
reality is 9/10 a state of mind ....iam black, and ethereal
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02-07-08, 07:59 PM
Someone might have already said this, but Africans sold their prisoners of war. People make it seem like they grabbed their relatives and were just like "here, I'll give you her for $2.50". It wasn't like that. If you were a POW you were often from another tribe, so at the time I don't think the Africans saw it as selling "their" individual people..but someone elses. On top of that, some were under the impression that they would get their POWs back after a set time period. Oh not so.
And of course the minority of Africans were taken from their villages..mostly women and children because they were easier to steal.
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