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Talkalot wrote: (((SIGH)))) Talk a LOT, your name is quite appropriate, you talk a lot and don't read much and say even less. You agree with GhettFab huh? Well , GhettoFAb is the originator of this trash topic. That is why her original post is edited out because it was ignorant, offensive inflammatory generalizing as you should have read in the title.Some of us turned this around by not taking the bait and discussing issues that really matter and are really real.

Please READ my former posts... At no time did I come off as negative , except when I was addressing the original posters ignorant, and inflammatory topic presentation, GEE I guess I have to be real specifice too. OOPS I meant SOME women can be mean based on feelings of jealousy and they can be of any race:PSOME black people can be detrimentalin teachingyoung girls confidence in themselves as African diasporic women.My point was it is ridicoulous for anyone to feel threatened by someone of another race, but it is notfarfetched to say that some people do feel threatened by someone who is somehow different, it is notfarfetched to say that alot of young black girls aresuffering fromnegative self-image and are being taught thatnegativity at home. I amaddressing a real issue and looking for solutionsnot sticking my head in the sand and saying oh, we have progressed.... there is not and issue. There was no debate about the original postersinflammatory topic.WE were having a discussionon the uplifiting of young black women.Wehave a websitethat I belong to called NAPPTURALITY Ifwe were so progressive overall as you say wewould have noneed for a website that provides support forwomen who have choose to wear the hair naturally. We have women from all over the world that post there regularly and we all have issues that are related to being a black woman in the diaspora that we come to one another for support and encouragement and solutions. That is a small example of some larger issues in our community thatneed addressing.Nevertheless, though most of this thread went downhill from there all was not lost, some very good and positive points were made to counteract the crap. Why is that you are focusing on the negative? HOW MUCH DID YOU REALLY CONTRIBUTE TOWARD THE POSITIVE?Imade some points in agreement with another poster about some solutions to real issues in our community. I don't need to read a book to see that some of my people are suffering (particularly the children) from intraracial prejudice, overall stereotyping, racism and various other forms of destructive forces in society. Yet, you come in generalizingand insulting other members with the knuckleheadcomment about everyones lack of intelligence. Funny, you say how intelligent you are and recommend books to read when you obviously do not read and think about or analyze anything your dam self. HI POT....I AM KETTLE YOU IS BLACK. LOL!I do not know the racial climate in Britain,butI have a friend who is living there and they say it is not that much different from the United States. The racial climate can be a bit tense here. self-assured and optimistic huh?, Guess what I can't tell you have to keep saying how much more intelligent and enlightened you are than everyone else, trying to convince someone eh, well it ain't working cause you do not read shet. Just because you have arrived does not mean that you don't come back and try to educate and uplift those who have not yet,but you think you are to good for that. I still feel I have a lot to learn. Yet, The book you recommendedis irrelevant to the issue we aredisussingright now. Besides, I am in the United States. At any rate, I am still learning more and more about my history, my current life and myself. I am not above growth, to hear you tell it you have alreadygrown and have no more room for growthLOL! So be it then I guess you would have no need for this book but I will suggest a few for you to read as well in relation to the topic at hand such as Phyllis Chessler'sWOMANS INHUMANITY TO WOMANis excellent as well as "STOLEN WOMEN" by DR> GAIL WYATT or DON"T PLAY IN THE SUN by MARITA GOLDEN> or SHIFTING by CHARISSE JONES AND KUMEA SHORTERThe black community still needs all the help it can get, uh oh .... ducking and dodging tomatoes and insults *wink wink* I will dare to generalize there. There are many progressive and accomplished black people . Their accomplishmentsREALLY matter if they stop to help those who are not so fortunate . You or anyone else including myself are not beyond reproach, GET A GRIP.
These books are an excellent research and discussion as well as provider of introspective solutions in regards to the black woman and how she has defined herself and been effected by stereoptypes and racial prejudice throughout history and it basically proves thatthreehundred years plus of oppression and assault is not going to go away just like that, We must work on that one day at a time Talking about it is a good start. Even though your bookdoesn't appear to have anything to do with the topic I am discussing, I will read your book any way...I love to read. and I do notfeel thatIam above any one in any area just because I have experienced more growth in any given area. AS for you I still say your neck must be very sore craning to see us "LITTLE PEOPLE " FROM YOUR VERY HIGH HORSE.
acting like no one should say there is a problem and address it, sweeping shet under the rug and pretending it doesn't exist that is hella stupid .mad-moonie

WELL < ANYWAY I HAVE GROWN QUITE TIRED OF THIS BACK AND FORTH< I HAVE SOME REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS ON MY AGENDA AND I HAVE BEEN QUITE BUSY TODAY........... ((((YAWN)))) I AM GOING TO SLEEEP>niceone.gif and I am done posting in this thread. GOOD BYE.

@caraqueen

I would love to continue this debate with you but I simply do not have the time as I‘m always busy. I did not see or read the original post therefore your point is a valid one. I simply do not have the time for those kind of discussions that I believe reinforce negative self image in black women. I’m not looking down on anyone, I’m simply saying ‘forget all that negative s**t …as black women we should be upwardly mobile. It’s a simple as that…..

The book I mention highlights the educational and economic achievements mainly of us black women in Britain of which I’m proud. I see this as a model for women of all races to aspire to. JELOUSEY….NO….NEGATIVE SELF/IMAGE…NO…CONFIDENT…YES

Still, you have argued some valid and good points and I respect you for that. Also, I have also noted your books.

Well to answer your question alot of black women are intimidated by other races of women, just like white women are intimidated by black women also. As a sister my self, I see that in our society black is constantly degraded and belittled so alot of sisters to some degree are insecure with their looks, hair body and even theirsexuality and roles. When you look at T.V., magazine and music videos they have white, spanish, mixed or lightskin girls and since most people not just children model themselves after what they see in the media it is a given that sisters andbrothers especially the youth would have issues. Since other races of women are glorified and over valued alot over sisters, we feelresentful and slighted by our brothers, the women and society in general. This will inturn make you very uncomfortable around these same non black women who are said to be so great and perfect compared to sisterswho are associated with all kinds of negative stereotypes. It makes you want to knock the non-black women off their pedistal especially when you see your own brother praising her over you making you wish you were her. Of course you are going to hate or feel hostile feelings if an outsider comes in your circle. Look at dominated males who do the same thing just different tactic. Insecurity is at the heart of both. White women feel they have no need to be insecure since sisters are notreplacing themand there relationships with white men are some what intact. You don't see whites pressuring other white women to look black like the way sisters are pressured to look white. Alot of sisters I know feel they have to perm their hair just to look normal let alone beautiful.

Since alot of sisters dont even like white or non black men anyway. it makes the brothers other options of dating non black women even scarier. Its like he can replace you with a white, asian or latin women so easily and it makes you feel unstable in your position and threatned by others because they can come and take what you've built up completely over. Not all brothers do this or praise other races of women becuase I know brothers that love only sisters but their are alot of brothers who do end up with white women, look at the celebrities and halph the NBA,lol. Sisters too do it. Sad, what are we going to do to make things better?

For the African - American ladies who are interested .... There is some interesting points made about white women and black men in the book Black Men Not Looking for Sex .. Why They Commit Forever. By Alvis Davis. The Author discusses the exaltation and mythologizing of the white woman's sexuality and the black man's sexuality in this society. It discusses the effects of this on the black man and the black woman and dispels some of the mystery and confusion surrounding this kind of thing. I think he breaks it down very well and gives excellent insight from a black man's point of view. I don't agree with all his points in his book but he does make some very good ones especially on this topic.

jesus Lord....


people want to think that black women are threatened by other women of different races, because that's just another way of trying to put black women down.



let me just clear this up- why pakis and other asians tryin to discuss their shit up in here? i don't wanna hear about that.. this is a black forum. For PROPER BLACK PEOPLE. not for asians, especially ones who only feel like saying they are balck when it is convineient for them, but when they are around white people they'll be like 'Blacks this, blacks that".
GO away , you have no valid contribution, what you say cannot be respected or trusted. You will never be fit to comment on blacks because YOU ARE NOT BLACK (INCASE YOU DIDN'T NOTICE)


Amhaad your're a fool. don't say that it's women who only go for a certain/small choice of men, why is it that all you see on magazines is women with blond hair? men are the ones that go for a certain look that's why white women run to black men, they marry down, because they want attention and to be put on a pedastal and don't feel they have any choice, in addition to black men's presence in the media, which makes it ok and supposedly cool or a status symbol to be with a black man. It doesn't matter if they are ugly, men's eyes are poppin out of their heads. same with white women, never mind if they are ugly, as long as they have white skin, a man will want them. And that is part of what it is because they want them just for their skin and what they think it means in this world not because they actually love them. and if they do love them it's supposedly because they make them feel like men, because they lick their asses and only speak when spoken to, and even if they were their own person, a black man will let them get away with it because they worship their white skin. White women are stupid and frivolous, fake and just dumb in every way and black people have at least one other black they can relate to out there and know that blacks don't really like being around whites, for a black man to marry a white woman, he must want that yellow child , bad!!



And that is why some people talk about black men and other races, because BM want someone as long as they are not black and have caucasian hair.. To them it's some sort of status symbol, that they are being acceepted by other races and because they want aa mix race child, because after all, it's black men who worship mixed race/yellow people. They can't even admit their own fault so bad mouth black women, to cover up their self rejection and hate of their owwn race and features.. also it is very convenient for them to insult black women back, not because BW actually are all bad, but because when a man is no good black women will talk and black men can't take it and their faults and choose to blame every black woman, so are like " What we'll do is, slag off black women to everyone else, like they supposedly do to us, we'll show black women that we don't need them" . BW don;t even necessarily slag black men off to other races, how can it be helped if issues in the black community over spill into main stream media and if other races are constantly poking thier noses, partly coz their their lives are borin i assume!. black women are the only ones who can talk about being BW and life in relation to that, so we discuss things so when issues about men are discussed in mags it's because they need to be talked about, not to slag BM off. that's another reason why people like white women, coz the majority won't dare slag their "masters' off, they 'stand by their man' in seriously warped ways, whether it involves being a doormat, worshipping them, being quiet, lying for them, acting all feminine and subordinate just to please their partner, some even turn a blind eye to their partners abusing their kids just for the sake of keeping a man... how sad. and it's these same women that wanna act all hard and b**chy to other women, but when it comes to men, they are wrapped around their little fingers, complain as they might ..but they always go back.



Black women don't really care , coz it takes self-hating losers off our hands. but it's what they say, that black women are jealous that is the problem. white women , rejected by white men go to black men. It's called "marrying down". the reason why white women are so nice when black men come up to them and talk to them is because
they know they worship them, which is more than every woman's dream. they look down on black men, just because someone has any type of relations wiith a black person doesn't mean they are for black people. they want black men to bad mouth black women to them because it makes them feel like somebody, it makes them feel above someone. All those white girls who have relationships with white men, are envied by the white girls who can't find a decent white man i.e. blonde girls, that's why they dye their hair blonde all the time. So if black womeen are put down and compared to them all the time, it makes them feel better about themselves. they want to think black women are jealous of them because these white girls are jealous of all the white girls who have decent relationships with white men. they act as if black men should protect them from black women who are supposedly jealous of them and mean. everyone knows that white girls love it when someone is jealous of them because it makes them feel beautiful, especially when they are not, especially if/ because white men don't treat them well. they rely on people putting black women down to feel good about themselves. If anyone ,it is everyone else who is intimidated by black women and their strength, they don't want black women to stand up for themselves. Any excuse to look down on others. Black women are socieety's scapegoat, talk about any other race and you're in for it , everybody just wants to try and put BW down, but BW are the wiser. No matter what BW say, people say we are jealous because they want BW to be at the bottom of society. Whites look down on blacks period, and white women get with black men because they can wrap them around their little fingers. BM treat WW better than BW, so of course it may just be easier for them to have a relationship. the problem isn't BW it's BM. rather than fixing any problems in the black community, a BM will just turn his back on it and point the finger back at BW, because they can't face their faults, the shame. they worship white poeple more than anyone and want what the white man has/wants " A thick white over emotionally woman' so they can do what they like and get away with it. so tehir egos can be fed and they won't be emasculated when they 'act up' or try and treat a woman badly.

Sometimes black men cut off their nose to spite their face and it's so embarrrasin that they think they are being clever when they are just showing their self resentment and worshipping white people in an indirect way.

one last word, YELLOW PEOPLE GET OUT!!! These are black issues,no one asked you, what goes on in the black community is none of your business coz your all too stupid and ignorant to make a decent, well informed contribution anywhere in this forum, unless it is a topic concerning yellow people, ok? blkafro[size=5]