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The full article is in the Open Forum (thanks DSP)..
Essence: I’m interested in what you expressed as the need to be a whole woman. I find that for many Black women, it’s a struggle to be accepted in a society that seems to be incapable of making space for our intelligence, beauty and strength. It’s almost expressed as a liability. Like you’ll never find happiness because you’re too dope.
Hill: It’s really about the Black woman falling in love with her own image of beauty. I know that I’ve been in a fight to love myself and experience reciprocity in a relationship. I thought that a perfectly reciprocal relationship was an impossibility. That’s that “Black woman is the mule of the world� thing. It says she can’t get what she deserves, no matter how dope she is. And, you know, you have to go through the fear. You do have to do something with the insecurity, ghosts and demons that have been programmed in us for centuries. You have to master the voices, all the insecure and inadequate men who put garbage in a woman’s mind, soul, spirit and psyche just so they can use her. You’ve got to break free of that crap. I didn’t see many of the women who came before me fight that war successfully. And when you don’t see it, you don’t know if it can be done. But that’s what faith is for.
I just think this statement had to be highlighted from the rest of the interview as it is so relevant. These are words of wisdom.
Isn't there junk in your head that you would like to rid yourself of?
This is similar to the 'what do you aspire to be' thread but it is a lesson we all should at least be aware of.
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17-03-06, 01:12 PM
WONDERFUL!! clp)clp)SUCH TRUE WORDS.. *GOING TO LOOK FOR ARTICLE*
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17-03-06, 02:21 PM
Excellent!!!!! lauryn is telling the truth...love her for that.
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I can't find the article? can someone plse post link etc?
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The full article is in the Open Forum (thanks DSP)..
Hill: It’s really about the Black woman falling in love with her own image of beauty. I know that I’ve been in a fight to love myself and experience reciprocity in a relationship. I thought that a perfectly reciprocal relationship was an impossibility. That’s that “Black woman is the mule of the world� thing. It says she can’t get what she deserves, no matter how dope she is. And, you know, you have to go through the fear. You do have to do something with the insecurity, ghosts and demons that have been programmed in us for centuries. You have to master the voices, all the insecure and inadequate men who put garbage in a woman’s mind, soul, spirit and psyche just so they can use her. You’ve got to break free of that crap. I didn’t see many of the women who came before me fight that war successfully. And when you don’t see it, you don’t know if it can be done. But that’s what faith is for.
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So, was she saying that this is the kind of stuff that laid behind the misfortunes in her own life?
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Did she put the choices she made about her own relationships (e.g. the man/men she allowed into her life) down to stuff like the fear, insecurity, ghost and demons that had been programmed into her?
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Reading that excerpt may, for some, ellicit cries of "yeah girl, right on! tell it like it is". But I often wonder whenpeople come out with this 'laudable' psychological stuff, how much, ifany,ofit allows for the recognitionoftheir own failings?
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How far does one recognise his/her own shortcomings (which lay solely on their own shoulders) when delivering these commentaries of truth.
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Not getting at Lauryn here (have always had a soft spot for her), just wanted to throw something else into the mix. Call me Devil's Advocate if you like. 
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There are those who feel that the only way to ‘prove their own worth’ is by ‘devaluing the worth of others’. You will often find that a man who is compelled to measure his substance against the substance of another, has little of substance in the first place!
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17-03-06, 03:19 PM
^^^^backatya..........I think she was including herself in that group of women, well I hope she was................I believe she fits it too, like many of us at some piont in our lives.
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17-03-06, 04:16 PM
yes she was.. she very aware of her own choices/misconceptions etc from previous interviews I've come across.. music from mtv unplugged very revealing especially her talks in between....or at least i think so.. it was very personal..
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17-03-06, 05:32 PM
So when is she going to get past just having faith I wonder. When is she going to know that she can overcome whatever she is trying to overcome.
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So when is she going to get past just having faith I wonder. When is she going to know that she can overcome whatever she is trying to overcome.
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I think thats the million dollar question...............I hope so.
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17-03-06, 05:45 PM
isn't it faith (personal belief in you or something higher) that you need/allows you to overcome your demons/misconceptions in order to become a whole woman.. thought she did answer the question..
what else is there to have or be? confused3
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thankyou !!!
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25-03-06, 11:15 PM
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The full article is in the Open Forum (thanks DSP)..
Hill: It’s really about the Black woman falling in love with her own image of beauty. I know that I’ve been in a fight to love myself and experience reciprocity in a relationship. I thought that a perfectly reciprocal relationship was an impossibility. That’s that “Black woman is the mule of the world� thing. It says she can’t get what she deserves, no matter how dope she is. And, you know, you have to go through the fear. You do have to do something with the insecurity, ghosts and demons that have been programmed in us for centuries. You have to master the voices, all the insecure and inadequate men who put garbage in a woman’s mind, soul, spirit and psyche just so they can use her. You’ve got to break free of that crap. I didn’t see many of the women who came before me fight that war successfully. And when you don’t see it, you don’t know if it can be done. But that’s what faith is for.
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Did she put the choices she made about her own relationships (e.g. the man/men she allowed into her life) down to stuff like the fear, insecurity, ghost and demons that had been programmed into her?
Everyone has their own experiences. I think that she wanted answers and found the ones that suited her and the things she specifies here make sense to a certain extent. It's all about personal development, learning from our mistakes but what she points out to be demons are the things that most women know are there but many don't have the motivation to tackle. But you know many people feel the need to justify everything in their lives and it's hard to accept that there aren't always answers to our questions. To quote Johnny Nash, "There are more questions than answers!" I don't think too much procrastination is a healthy thing.
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