AA women do you think that your looks strike fear into white women? - Page 3

safetyblitz · (#51 (**permalink**))

BlackBrainChild wrote:

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@Safety.......Bro, not dogging you or your thread or anything like that, but what made you post this thread? It's unlike you or for the most part any black male. It's just rare.:?

I am not praising African beauty as it relates to white women. I just noticed that the female competitive streak tends to turn a bit meaner when white women are judging sisters. A lot of people notice it. You can see the racial twist on it.

I just threw out the possible whys.

Oh BBC there was some love between actual slave women and their masters but I think that gmahogany covered it enough as well as others above in the thread.

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Beyond that, I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether they "desired" Black women or not, their wives were left alone in their beds at night while their husbands were in another woman's bed in the slave quarters, night after night. As a woman in that situation, does it really matter WHY your husband is in another woman's bed? You're going to respond as a human being, not with some spiel that's he's telling you about how you're really superior to her, and he's just doing this to spare you of his male animal passions.

I don't think anyone is praising this. I think it's being offered as a backstory to why what a lot of us as Black women think we sense from many white women, is what what we think it is, and why even now what went on then continues to reverberate.

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Seems as if people take what they want from the thread. Personally, I could not even see a sister stooping that low to even compare her self being that she has features that promote softness and feminine nature instead of paleness and bones.

Plus I should have did a better job of explaining my point and not letting this turn into a as cash money said a Kum baya thread. LOL

I just wondered out loud if you all noticed the colder looks you got from white women than you do from African women was all to be honest with you because I see a bigger difference. maybe it is because I am one of founding provinces of the KKK but I notice the difference.........

BlackBrainChild · (#52 (**permalink**))

safetyblitz wrote:

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BlackBrainChild wrote:

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@Safety.......Bro, not dogging you or your thread or anything like that, but what made you post this thread? It's unlike you or for the most part any black male. It's just rare.:?

I am not praising African beauty as it relates to white women. I just noticed that the female competitive streak tends to turn a bit meaner when white women are judging sisters. A lot of people notice it. You can see the racial twist on it.

I just threw out the possible whys.

Oh BBC there was some love between actual slave women and their masters but I think that gmahogany covered it enough as well as others above in the thread.

as Gmahogany stated "

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Beyond that, I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether they "desired" Black women or not, their wives were left alone in their beds at night while their husbands were in another woman's bed in the slave quarters, night after night. As a woman in that situation, does it really matter WHY your husband is in another woman's bed? You're going to respond as a human being, not with some spiel that's he's telling you about how you're really superior to her, and he's just doing this to spare you of his male animal passions.

I don't think anyone is praising this. I think it's being offered as a backstory to why what a lot of us as Black women think we sense from many white women, is what what we think it is, and why even now what went on then continues to reverberate.

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Seems as if people take what they want from the thread. Personally, I could not even see a sister stooping that low to even compare her self being that she has features that promote softness and feminine nature instead of paleness and bones.

Plus I should have did a better job of explaining my point and not letting this turn into a as cash money said a Kum baya thread. LOL

I just wondered out loud if you all noticed the colder looks you got from white women than you do from African women was all to be honest with you because I see a bigger difference. maybe it is because I am one of founding provinces of the KKK but I notice the difference.........

Yeah I see what you're saying.

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I understand that there were some black female/slave master relationships that were consensual, but it's not like the black woman could refuse.

chi · (#53 (**permalink**))

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la_bella_mafia wrote:

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the 'special loving' that black female slaves gave their masters in desperate and abusive times is nothing that should be acknowledged with pride...the need to feel that white women are intimidated by our beauty is a sign of insecurity in itself. we don't need to compete with them..damn, ladies! stop that!

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***sigh*** Finally, some sense here....niceone.gif

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Ya know........gosh....second the above statement for defo...........why are we even talking about them?

Gmahogany · (#54 (**permalink**))

I don't see why just because we comment on certain observable, or historicalphenomena, that automatically means someone is feeling insecure, competing with white women, or praising slave/master relationships.Most Black women not only don't feel competitive with white women, by and large, we have better levels of confidence and body image than they manage to have, in spite of their looks being exalted (even when we could stand to lose a few pounds,lol). I pointedly said in my comments about female slave/white master relationships, that consent was necessarilyproblematic because of the unequal power relationship, that however, does not negate the truth of what I or Safety was saying. I said all that to say, I don't think the various chastisements offered, were really necessary, and to be honest I found them somewhat patronizing;with all due respect.

safetyblitz · (#55 (**permalink**))

BlackBrainChild wrote:

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safetyblitz wrote:

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BlackBrainChild wrote:

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@Safety.......Bro, not dogging you or your thread or anything like that, but what made you post this thread? It's unlike you or for the most part any black male. It's just rare.:?

I am not praising African beauty as it relates to white women. I just noticed that the female competitive streak tends to turn a bit meaner when white women are judging sisters. A lot of people notice it. You can see the racial twist on it.

I just threw out the possible whys.

Oh BBC there was some love between actual slave women and their masters but I think that gmahogany covered it enough as well as others above in the thread.

as Gmahogany stated "

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Beyond that, I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether they "desired" Black women or not, their wives were left alone in their beds at night while their husbands were in another woman's bed in the slave quarters, night after night. As a woman in that situation, does it really matter WHY your husband is in another woman's bed? You're going to respond as a human being, not with some spiel that's he's telling you about how you're really superior to her, and he's just doing this to spare you of his male animal passions.

I don't think anyone is praising this. I think it's being offered as a backstory to why what a lot of us as Black women think we sense from many white women, is what what we think it is, and why even now what went on then continues to reverberate.

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Seems as if people take what they want from the thread. Personally, I could not even see a sister stooping that low to even compare her self being that she has features that promote softness and feminine nature instead of paleness and bones.

Plus I should have did a better job of explaining my point and not letting this turn into a as cash money said a Kum baya thread. LOL

I just wondered out loud if you all noticed the colder looks you got from white women than you do from African women was all to be honest with you because I see a bigger difference. maybe it is because I am one of founding provinces of the KKK but I notice the difference.........

Yeah I see what you're saying.

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I understand that there were some black female/slave master relationships that were consensual, but it's not like the black woman could refuse.

I know that this is what you feel. BUT it is recorded that many of them did refuse and they were put to work as field slaves if they did or were sold because their beauty was of value. Not all were raped as most people think. Many were but not all. A lot of women said they were shunned by the other field slaves when they reached the fields.

Some if they could not have sex willingfully with the slave chose to sell her because he could get more for her than a field worker.

People seem to forget that there was more than the field worker slaves during those times. There were slaves whom had skills, that were loaned out to other white people for labor like blacksmiths, carpenters, etc. There were free AA people in the south that served as overseers of the slaves that performed the beatings.

I mean through the same type of ignorant hatred most of us see that white women have for AA women, we see the same thing from poor white to AA's in general. Believe it or not the poor whites when interviewed at the time thought that the slaves were taking jobs from them. Yep you read it right for get the fact that we were shipped and whipped and in chains we were taking jobs from them.

When in fact they should have been mad at the slave owners instead of us like the white women should have been mad at their husbands, who in both cases were the real perpetrators. Do you now see where I am going with this misplaced anger and resentment?

Gmahogany · (#56 (**permalink**))

safetyblitz wrote:

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BlackBrainChild wrote:

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safetyblitz wrote:

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BlackBrainChild wrote:

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@Safety.......Bro, not dogging you or your thread or anything like that, but what made you post this thread? It's unlike you or for the most part any black male. It's just rare.:?

I am not praising African beauty as it relates to white women. I just noticed that the female competitive streak tends to turn a bit meaner when white women are judging sisters. A lot of people notice it. You can see the racial twist on it.

I just threw out the possible whys.

Oh BBC there was some love between actual slave women and their masters but I think that gmahogany covered it enough as well as others above in the thread.

as Gmahogany stated "

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Beyond that, I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether they "desired" Black women or not, their wives were left alone in their beds at night while their husbands were in another woman's bed in the slave quarters, night after night. As a woman in that situation, does it really matter WHY your husband is in another woman's bed? You're going to respond as a human being, not with some spiel that's he's telling you about how you're really superior to her, and he's just doing this to spare you of his male animal passions.

I don't think anyone is praising this. I think it's being offered as a backstory to why what a lot of us as Black women think we sense from many white women, is what what we think it is, and why even now what went on then continues to reverberate.

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Seems as if people take what they want from the thread. Personally, I could not even see a sister stooping that low to even compare her self being that she has features that promote softness and feminine nature instead of paleness and bones.

Plus I should have did a better job of explaining my point and not letting this turn into a as cash money said a Kum baya thread. LOL

I just wondered out loud if you all noticed the colder looks you got from white women than you do from African women was all to be honest with you because I see a bigger difference. maybe it is because I am one of founding provinces of the KKK but I notice the difference.........

Yeah I see what you're saying.

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I understand that there were some black female/slave master relationships that were consensual, but it's not like the black woman could refuse.

I know that this is what you feel. BUT it is recorded that many of them did refuse and they were put to work as field slaves if they did or were sold because their beauty was of value. Not all were raped as most people think. Many were but not all. A lot of women said they were shunned by the other field slaves when they reached the fields.

Some if they could not have sex willingfully with the slave chose to sell her because he could get more for her than a field worker.

People seem to forget that there was more than the field worker slaves during those times. There were slaves whom had skills, that were loaned out to other white people for labor like blacksmiths, carpenters, etc. There were free AA people in the south that served as overseers of the slaves that performed the beatings.

I mean through the same type of ignorant hatred most of us see that white women have for AA women, we see the same thing from poor white to AA's in general. Believe it or not the poor whites when interviewed at the time thought that the slaves were taking jobs from them. Yep you read it right for get the fact that we were shipped and whipped and in chains we were taking jobs from them.

When in fact they should have been mad at the slave owners instead of us like the white women should have been mad at their husbands, who in both cases were the real perpetrators. Do you now see where I am going with this misplaced anger and resentment?

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I think it's easier for us to hold certain sweeping views about slavery, rather than deal with a lot of the complexities and nuances that existed(that can be unpleasant and unsettling), that always exist when humans are involved. I mentioned the individual responses to slavery for that reason. If you read 5 slave narratives, you may get 5 distinct takes on the slavery experience, though some common themes emerge. One slave might focus on how kind their master was to them, another one might say slavery was the worst thing in the world and i'd rather die, than live like that. I had to get over my impulse to harshly judge the slaves who didn't respond with enough rage, for my taste. My desire to know what really went down had to override my need for things to be the way they were in MYvision of slavery.

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Just like some of us like to hold the view that white folks just Bogarted their way into Africa one day and started making us slaves. It's not pleasant to deal with the fact that there wouldhad to have beensome complicity on SOME ofour parts, that white people weren't smart enough or strong enough to do the things they did, without some assistance, at least initially. Recognizing that truth and complexity does not mean that we let whites off the hook, it just means we're mature enough to face the reality of things.

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Hell yeah, poor white people ENVIED slaves in some instances, because some poor whites were starving, couldn't find work(cause we were doing all the work for no pay)and they felt like slaves were living high on the hog,lol. Logic says that slaves would have been well fed, so they could do more work, but that, like everything else,varied from plantation to plantation. Some slave owners STARVED their slaves and STILL expected them to work and produce to the same level.

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Some of the stuff you are mentioning, though observable everywhere that there are white people, is most pronounced and noticeable in this country, and in the South, in particular. Which is why I think the premise of your post was mis-interpreted by some in the way it was. I know personally that there were things I had heard about or had general knowledge of regarding white/Black relations,,historically, but moving to the Deep South puts a lot of that stuff on display in a way that is not as evident in other places. Whereas in the North you might have a suspicion that this or that is the case regarding whites, but can't quite put your finger on it, down here; there will be no such confusion,lol.

Miss Nellia · (#57 (**permalink**))

Gmahogany wrote:

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I don't see why just because we comment on certain observable, or historicalphenomena, that automatically means someone is feeling insecure, competing with white women, or praising slave/master relationships.Most Black women not only don't feel competitive with white women, by and large, we have better levels of confidence and body image than they manage to have, in spite of their looks being exalted (even when we could stand to lose a few pounds,lol). I pointedly said in my comments about female slave/white master relationships, that consent was necessarilyproblematic because of the unequal power relationship, that however, does not negate the truth of what I or Safety was saying. I said all that to say, I don't think the various chastisements offered, were really necessary, and to be honest I found them somewhat patronizing;with all due respect.

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At least SOMEONE understands the tone of the thread and understands that an observation was made and shared by Safety which many black women on BNV and not relate too. WHAT HUMAN BEING on this planet do we know black women to feel inferior too, when last has black women EVER felt insecure when it come to white women...please don't make me vomit.... what a load of nonsense..... Safety shared an observation and people that related responded.....
Like it or not they are jealous of us....because we are black women and what that means in our society today especially...simple as!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BlackBrainChild · (#58 (**permalink**))

Ok, I think some of you are getting the wrong idea of what I'm saying. Nowhere have I said that all black women back then were raped. I never said that and I am aware of my history.

chi · (#59 (**permalink**))

Why does it mean so much to people to think a white woman is jealous of you/intimidated by our looks?.....does it give you "browny points" or something, maybe a sense of satisfaction??,

...........................................That whole way of thinking belongs in the school playground, some people really need to grow up............................