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I don't want children and enjoy being child-free. For anyone who dares to call me selfish, if you knew what I did for a living or saw how I interact with my nephews, you wouldn't call me selfish. I used to debate people about my decision, but I don't bother anymore. It's my decision and to hell with what anyone else thinks.


Respect for that.

And it's only "to hell with what anyone else thinks" when they are trying to dictate what you can choose for yourself!
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Arrow Thank you. - 26-05-08, 03:05 PM

Thank you for this. This is the first positive comment about this topic that I've seen in this thread for a while. Some of these comments are downright hateful and extremist and ignorant. It kills me that women are only seen as baby-makers, as evidenced by some of the comments in this thread and out in the real world. And whoever said that the Western world is anti-family, apparently hasn't been to this country.


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Respect for that.

And it's only "to hell with what anyone else thinks" when they are trying to dictate what you can choose for yourself!


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Thank you for this. This is the first positive comment about this topic that I've seen in this thread for a while. Some of these comments are downright hateful and extremist and ignorant. It kills me that women are only seen as baby-makers, as evidenced by some of the comments in this thread and out in the real world. And whoever said that the Western world is anti-family, apparently hasn't been to this country.
No one is calling you selfish. If what you do still benefits and helps to raise our children as part of the bigger village then you are still making a contribution to how they grow. It's not for anyone else to dictate to you what you do with your life or more importantly your body. The choice and decision is yours so no one can force you to have a child.

There are just deper coniderations that some of us who've gone through the process and sometimes complications of having children can identify with. I overstand where you;re coming from when yuo say we aren't just baby makers and yes even though there's so much more to being a woman than having children, for me having children is one of things I know I was meant to do. That's all.

Can you elaborate on your point about anti family please. I don't overstand your point.
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MA'AT is hitting the nail on the head here. In order for some poeple to come to terms with their own reality, they park it over there somewhere and reframe it into something that is less personal/painful because if the truth were expressed it would somehow raise feelings of shame, guilt, rejection and feelings of inadequacy.

So, rather than talk it how it is, infertile (temporary or not), it is easier to codify the situation by saying 'won't have' rather than 'can't have'.Fem'
Very good post. I have said for years I didn't want children, now I can look at it and say that it was fear of being a bad mother like mine. I would like children, however I will not have any out of wedlock. If it doesn't happen, then it doesn't happen.
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No one is calling you selfish. If what you do still benefits and helps to raise our children as part of the bigger village then you are still making a contribution to how they grow. It's not for anyone else to dictate to you what you do with your life or more importantly your body. The choice and decision is yours so no one can force you to have a child.

There are just deper coniderations that some of us who've gone through the process and sometimes complications of having children can identify with. I overstand where you;re coming from when yuo say we aren't just baby makers and yes even though there's so much more to being a woman than having children, for me having children is one of things I know I was meant to do. That's all.

Can you elaborate on your point about anti family please. I don't overstand your point.
Maybe no one on here has called me selfish (although I think some posters have said that about child-free women in general), but I've been called that plenty of times in real life. And yes, what I do for a living definitely benefits and helps children, and it's one of the reasons why I don't understand how someone could possibly call someone like me selfish.

Your 2nd paragraph is definitely understood and I think that if more people said things in the manner that you spelled out in that particular paragraph, child-free people would be more open to civilized discussions about it. I can appreciate your stance just because of the way you said it.

Re: anti-family - you'd mentioned in a previous post that the West is anti-family.
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The west is so anti family anyway so the trail of thought not to have them because of the inconvenience doesn't surprise me.
Well, where I'm from that's far from the truth. People here may not have as many children as those in some countries (I think the average is 2 here), but it's definitely not anti-family here, as evidenced by government policies and beliefs and the beliefs of the general populace.


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Default 05-06-08, 03:01 PM

Wowwwwwww @ this thread. I see some of you advocate all sorts of stuff and think on behalf of others. Wowwwwwww Psychics galore.

I don't want kids, quite frankly most of your seed scares the life out of me, grow up to be animals in human form, have no respect for anyone and are quite selfish to start with not to mention rude as hell. I will quicker get stabbed/mobbed/raped/murdered by your seed even with all your baby making fervour on here most women just can't get their acts together as good role models and great parents to their seeds yet they demand other women go off and make after witnessing on a daily the horrors that are called kids?

Babies making babies and teaching them nothing, big hard backed heffas making babies and still passing on nothing to them worth value...in all of this they dare you to critique their parenting skills and are always the first to claim how great their seed is but just misunderstood and not given any support by mankind et al.

I read a lot and love my life...that said I always think that in times of drama I don't want to have to worry about no kids, just me. I want my time for me not to be shared with anyone else unless I choose to do so. My finances barely get me by yet you want me to do my duty as a woman (or brainwashed one judging from the rubbish comments) and bring a child into this godforsaken world and chance it?

How many suicides by youngsters, how many self inflicted harm is carried out by kids who never had a choice and whose parents just did their duty? Kids are not selling on the shelf at your local Tesco's or Woolies; kids are not toys you crave then castaway at a whim or when they get broken. And just to add not all women actually like them or want anything to do with them given the chance.

Some of you are high up on your so called moral soap boxes talking shidt bout how women who dont want kids have an underlying reason but they alll secretly do. B.S. This life is no fairytale and for all you people who feel the need to get preggers then do you but don't hate or demean the choices of others then talk bout their choices as if it's a mental illness.

Dang can a sister just breathe and do her. In proverbs their is a line that says lucky is the barren woman. Go pick your book up and search for it. Kids aren't meant for everyone my dears. Keep it rolling!


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I am not mad at you hun. I have read enuff of your posts on here to understand that you like seeing your thoughts (limited as they all are) in print.

I dont need validation from you or your "kind" it amuses me highly the consistancy of your diatribe on this forum no matter the topic. Hun YOU are a bitter, self-promoting, people hating kinda chick...get laid or get a life! Either way...keep the hate rolling. After this response to you I wont respond again as you aren't worthy of my respect or time.

Be gone heffa! You aren't smart or intelligent or even remotely intellectual you are just another idiot who cannot have a convo or discussion without reducing said convos or discussions to shidt. Do you I can understand women like yourself live to hate on people but your haterade aint gonna bother me babe.

I live my life like it's Golden. I suggest you get a life and attempt a bronze version if you can climb up to that level. Age in your case does not bring class, reason or intellect nor common sense so once again I forgive you. Small minds discuss people and big minds create and implement. From your posting history on here you are not even gonna be classed as small minded but more of an inanimate object. NOTHING!

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I can say that I want children (at least four), but not just anyhow or at any cost. I have to have the funds firstly, they can only come into a healthy marriage set up. I feel as though, many of us really should try as much as possible to unlearn our less than positive experiences with our own parents first, before having kids, because like it or not we WILL become our parents if we dont learn a new way of doing things.

Its funny, some people spend their whole lives trying to unravel the mess of their own upbringing, while others soar to higher heights because of theirs.

My worst nightmare is for any child of mine to feel they have to succeed in life DESPITE my parenting. I respect those who are bold enough to admit to themselves that they dont want children, its not a crime. In fact its rather responsible in some cases. Not everyone has to give birth to fulfill a parenting role (notice I didn't just say mothering role), but some people who "born pickin" really shouldn't have IMO, well at least until they aquired the right skills.

If it takes a village raise a child, its ok to be a villager rather than that childs birth mother/father.
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you're seriously idiotic. how could you even fathom the idea of telling a woman who makes the personal choice not to have children to kill herself? you are pathetic. i would never tell a woman such a thing. some people choose to have children and some do not, and that is fine. if a person does not want children, they should not have them. there are plenty of people who have children and do not want them, and harm them and abandon them. but according to you tayanese, these people should have had children, how silly? everyone who choses not to have children have their own reasons for it, and that is none of your business nor anyone else. yes, if no one has children at some point in time there will be no one left, however there are always going to be plenty of people having children, either unplanned or planned, and that more than makes up for the people who do not.

you must be one of those people who was stuck with children and now because you can not do anything about it, you want to bash people who are children free. i hear this non sense from people with children time and time again. "oh you don't want children because you are stuck up" "you think your better then me because i am stuck with children and you're not" "i have responsibility for another human being now and my life has changed because of it, so i must bash you because you don't" i find that most people who are criticizing those without children are bitter, losers, stuck with children in a situation in life hard to get out of and the children are making it worse, so in return they want to throw stones at those without the added burden of children. then i always hear children bearers say to those without children "oh i love my children and i don't have any regrets about them" well first of all, usually although not always a parent will naturally love their child, so that is a senseless excuse to give, but i find it is a defense against their bitterness for those without children. i believe that most people who have children did not want a child when they had them, but once you make a baby you can't take it back. this foolishness of HATE THE NON BABY MAKERS reminds me of people, who bash people who are successful, in whatever field, rather it be education, entertainment, art, sports or whatever, it is always the bitter losers in life, and the jealous, envious people in life that always have the most negative and harsh things to say about another person. But i say to those who encounter such people, look at your life and then look at the sour feeling people's lives, usually there will be something drastically lacking in theirs'.
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lol @ the hit dogs writing out dissertations. It ain't that serious.


As far as I am concerned - the black man's seed is GOLD and should not be abandoned wrecklessly © Femergy
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Maybe no one on here has called me selfish (although I think some posters have said that about child-free women in general), but I've been called that plenty of times in real life. And yes, what I do for a living definitely benefits and helps children, and it's one of the reasons why I don't understand how someone could possibly call someone like me selfish.

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Re: anti-family - you'd mentioned in a previous post that the West is anti-family. Well, where I'm from that's far from the truth. People here may not have as many children as those in some countries (I think the average is 2 here), but it's definitely not anti-family here, as evidenced by government policies and beliefs and the beliefs of the general populace.
Thanks for ellaborating Spinster. The anti family part I talk of is more the reality that you can see outside of the policies. I find that even though systems and ideas are in place such as work/life balance for both men and women, at ground level it's not always encouraged in the work place. This is not just by managers or directors but also by co workers who haven't started families - so have no idea of the pressure to provide financially for a family whilst trying to raise the family. With this is comes a lack of emapthy and that in itself can bring about all kinds of stress that will in turn effect your family - even more so the children because they can pick up on it.

The pressure from family is a funny one too. I mean when you get married you are asked "so when are you going to have children?" when you have children out of marriage you are asked "so when are you going to get married?" LOL. Like the expectation is there that a woman can fit into their ideal of what a woman should or shouldn't do.
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