yes there is a problem with black dating black in america. they dont want us dating because it makes us stronger. so your in the uk. trust me my brother it's not like being black in america or is it? let me know but being black in america is the hardest except being black in america.`

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That's the default situation of a black person in the white west

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Could answer that all the above IS our own music since you might not have gathered but we come from all those places.

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For weak people I suppose

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Again, given we are all from various places.... kinda obvious. Though recently some people have begun to lose their minds and memories.

There is no such thing as black british culture.

There is white british culture, which some black people over here foolishly choose to follow, or there is African caribbean culture which, being our heritage, most of us adhere to, leaning more towards the African or Caribbean side depending on where your parents/grandparents were born.

We have our own hip hop, grime. soca, pop and soul music which I love. We have our own actors, sportsmen, we have our own schools etc have you heard of google?

Way way back in the day 1st or 2nd generation Africans and Caribbeans used to have beef, but not anymore. As far as I have witnessed this has gladly turned into friendly rivalry. In London there are oft African vs Caribbean dances. No beef, all fun. One of the best events I've been to was the Jamaica vs Ghana football match a couple of years ago.

The main problem we have in the UK is self-hate, like there is among our people people worldwide - guns, drugs, interacial dating, western beauty standards, these things drag down our people everywhere, no matter what continent.

Apart from that, and obviously the racism from the whites which will only stop when we leave, we live good in the UK.

I'd say black people born in the UK are brought up with more of a connection to their heritage in Africa or the Caribbean. Unlike the Americans. A lot of Caribbeans in the UK also recognise their African roots and will never consider themselves British.

This is the problem with labelling a culture a colour. How can you separate African carribean identity or now continental African culture from the culture of black people in Britain. I didnt grow up in a black British household. I grew up in a Jamaican household. I judged the world according to Jamiacan norms and values. My Nigerian freidns judged the world according to their Nigerian norms.

No other people in this world are labelled according to their colour. Chinese people would not accept a headline of Yellow robbers in Chinatown extortion racket..identifying with being "black" British is the source of plenty confusion.

Intresting thread,

I have done extensive research in to black british culture, anaysing the culture from the 1940s onwards (both African and Caribbean)...

This is an important topic to discuss in regards to heavily diverse areas such as London, Birmingham and perhaps Manchester.

DO we really have a culture anymore?

Yup, there's a 'black' british culture - it's called urban.

what?? conflict from who? you mean america frown at black on black dating?

to be honest black people are the most friendliest people anywhere in the world, just depends on how you come across

i dont think this is a main problem, it's only natural that people will get influenced by cultures, it's a bit like saying a white boy listening to hip hop or wearing baggy hates being white- the other parts drugs, guns are just criminal acts people fall into due to circumstances

Afro-caribbean culture

There is a differenece between influenced and brainwashed

A white boy listening to hip hop won't call himself a cracker and say he is 'reclaiming' the word. He will still recognise the colour of his skin and not put himself, his people or his culture down (when he is not around his black friends!). Mostly this will be a phase that will pass, he will dip his toe in there for a minute, just to be cool, but he always knows where he comes from. with our people its totally different. They become so enchanted by YT culture that they no longer want to be black and will do anything to hide their 'flaw'. Funnily enough, these white boys will continue to date their own, as long as she has a huge ass, this will further impress the black boys!

There are levels of self-hate, but all in all it is a huge problem to our people. If we loved ourselves au natural, and did not try to fit in with western society we would look at each other as kin, no matter where we resided. We wouldn't have the conflicts we have now in SA, or the high levels of mulattos kids because they have one black parent who wanted a child with light skin and 'good hair', could you imagine how rich our culture would be if so many of us were not influenced by western society's ills? Its a problem.

The criminal acts people fall into have claimed millions of african lives worldwide. Mostly us killing ourselves. The circumstances you talk about, i.e. poverty were brought about by YT people trying to keep us down. These criminal acts remains the quickest and easiest way a black person can get rich. YT society dictates that money=success. Without money your nothing. As a people, YTs have branded us 'nothing' since the beginning of time, we all want to be something now! It is a problem.

I recently had an indian guy ask me who i felt were the real 'black people', because his british born, nigerian descent young friend told him that only british and american people can claim to be black, or 'real'. Africans and caribbeans who have never resided in either country are not 'real black people' because they do not know anything about how proper people live. Proper people = YTs, i assume. So to this young blood, 'real' black people are those who have been influenced by western society!?

Trust me, self- hate is a problem for us.

I think sometimes people will try to take the responsibility for the action away from the people who does the deed:

"The circumstances you talk about, i.e. poverty were brought about by YT people trying to keep us down".

Agree.

"These criminal acts remains the quickest and easiest way a black person can get rich."

No. They are they quickest way ANY person can get rich. There are nuff white youth running around in expensive motors because they deal drugs. We can all choose not to do things even if the people around us do them. They know their behaviour is wrong, so do we. They choose to ignore this, we are not compelled to follow.

"I recently had an indian guy ask me who i felt were the real 'black people', because his british born, nigerian descent young friend told him that only british and american people can claim to be black, or 'real'. Africans and caribbeans who have never resided in either country are not 'real black people' because they do not know anything about how proper people live. Proper people = YTs, i assume. So to this young blood, 'real' black people are those who have been influenced by western society!?"

That is a frustratingly dumb point of view!


White people don't have to worry about being called honky or cracker because these words have no real history of being used to demean or dehumanise them. I don't accept that a white kid into Hip Hop will always choose to date his own, geography has a lot to do with it. If he lives in a racially diverse town and has black mates there's a reasonable likelyhood that he may date outside his group. If he's from the Scottish Highlands or something, no.

Wtf?

Replied to this thread yesterday.

True, but I was only talking about black people here. If a gang of former white & black drug dealers tried to get jobs anywhere in the world, we all know the whites will succeed eventually and the black kids probably never!

Point being, it is not a level playing field. If it was at least half of the black people into crime now wouldn't be there.

I hate that term. It makes me very angry when i hear both asians and white people use it t describe black culture.

However are they wrong to say urban?

The majority of british black culture did emerge out of an urban setting?