Environ-mental... not easy living in babylon.

Youths aren't, ''English'' btw, they're ''British'' if anything... as we've had such a negative interaction with european culture many of us have the need to separate ourselves from it, to not get drawn into becoming, ''British'' and to upkeep our own cultural values, constantly on the defense in that regard questioning what it means to be black, to many I guess the answer is, 'to survive' and thats what they do.

Again, I was just questioning the nature of some of us Carribeans not being stereotypical and as others mentioned its down to the brand of oppression enforced on us over the years as the same mentality can be seen in others colonialized by the British/English such as the Irish.

Ms. Price, I still fail to see how these people are NOT jamaicans living in < insert country>. Do you believe a person can DIVORCE their parents (or their parents heritage for that matter) simply by moving to a new country?

Not getting smart with you or anything because I actually sympathize with your embarrassement of the people with a 'ghetto mentality'. I met TONS of AA people like this EVERYWHERE I go (sometimes they are in the majority, mind you). But still................ as bad as I want to (and trust me I do), there still is no reasonable explanation for me to argue that all these people with 2 Afro-American parents are NOT AA people.

THANK YOU Girlfromthenc

I dismissed the black british label a lil while ago

part of the problem what we have over here is that people are forgetting theor own culture and trying to create a new one based on American gangsterisms/west indian badness/European slackness and calling it Black british Culcha.

BOLLOCKS my parents are jamaican...I been brought up the only way they know how...the jamaican way...for me to throw that away and class myself as some kind of black english hybrid would be foolishness...Im not english...english people are white people...Im a british born jamaican simple as

by the way I aint getting at Miss P..just stating my opinion

But how can they be if they were not born there?

Now I am confused because that is not what I meant at all. Ok you see the Jamaican culture is very distintive and is its own. Jamicans are not British and Black people born in this country even if they have jamaican grannies (UK) are not Jamaican. Simple as. Accept. So now you have to define which Jamaicans are particually bad? Are you talking about the immigrants?

Yes you are admit it...but its cool...but ooo no mr...dont even go there...first of all you want to talk about forgetting the culture why use a word like BOLLOCKS how nasty/trashy white and english of a word that is...I hate that word it is just so vulgar.

Listen my family is true West Indian to di bone, however I was born in the racist UK. I will never throw away my culture. I will be teaching my kids my families culture for generations to come, the same way the taught me. I think you guys are missing the point. Hybrid? I wont even go into that argument because I am not no confused anglo-asian...

I think you are defining Jamaica as a nationality only. While I on the other hand am describing it as a culture or ethnicity. For example I am American by nationality, but I am Afro-American culture/ethnicity wise. So I consider these "British Black people with Jamaican grannies" to be British by nationality but STILL Jamaicans ethnic wise.

I also have no idea which Jamaicans are 'bad' ( I met 'bad' people from all sorts of backgrounds). I've never been to Jamaica nor England. I was only skimming through the thread and your comment about 2nd and 3rd generation Jamaicans in England not being Jamaicans and that caught my eye and confused me! I don't understand how you are going to teach your children about their Jamaican heritage if you believe one is only Jamaican if he was born on the island (as you were telling BlackPower in your last post).

Ok fair point. I have to disagree tho. First of all Jamaicans as with any other Caribbean island are NOT an separate ethnicity, even though they ALL like to believe they are they are not, yes they are an individual culture by there own right but they are defined by nation hood and ultimately nationality, as you will know not all Jamaicans are black. If you want to start talking about ethnicity then you might as well say all black Jamaicans are in fact Africans, but then where does it stop?

Black British people of Jamaican decent are British by Nationality but how can they be 'ethnically' Jamaican when Jamaica does not have its own ethnicity? The reason why I emphasised the 'bad' ones is from observation, those with the Jamaican or WI culture born in the west…are bad…but the majority are good spirited. My children will be taught West Indian culture and everything about it, starting with Africa and moving on to other places...as that is MINE and MY families background and soul. I think it is ludicrous for people to say “I am Jamaican” or “I am Dominican” when they were never born there. Black people in this country who were born and bred have more in common with Sara down the road then they do with kerry-ann from Kingston, because the two environments are different. Simple as.

So using your argument, would it be true to say that white americans, had and have the same culture as native american people, as the environment in the US is the same??

Likewise, Europeans in:

*South Africa

*Zimbabwe

*Australia

*Canada

Due to common environment, do these europeans share the same culture as the same "native" peoples who's land they all "share"?