What is it with us Jamaicans and our temperment?

I'm not, ''selling out'' or anything like that but none of the other islanders seem to have it, in fact I can't think of any of our African brothers or sisters who have the same all out, escaltive, bad mind temper as we seem to.

Did they really drop off the badass Africans they couldn't handle on the island? Why aren't the other islanders like us in that way...? The Haitians fought back before we did not even the South Americans are as bad as us in the way we are/can be.

Was a bit of a brawl in the pub last night, a few idiots got kicked out and started on the pub owner chatting about murder this one murder that one saying they wanted to come back in the week and get him.... because they brought in drinks from the shop and got kicked out. Typical escaltive JA type of confrontation, guys were weak, too much chat beating up some old pub owner like that made me vex , but its exactly that nothing to all out war temperment I'm talking about here.

Are we particually bad?

Sounds like the same type of thing that happens at any English pub on a friday night to me.....

And, unless you have proof that no incident on a par with this has taken place at no other pub on no other island how the hell can you stereotype Jamaicans?

FYI Bad mind ruthless stupid thugs reside all over the globe.

I'll admit Jamaicans aren't always easy people to deal with, but what you just described isn't exclusive to us, in fact the english behave worse.

I've witnessed that scenario plenty of time and was even caught in the middle of a pub brawl in Hackney about 10 years ago where my once singer friend was performing. Just watch those reality cop shows based in Britain and you'll see the drunken white men and women carrying on like that all the time.

Oh... so they've got the same, ''I'll kill the fukkery out there'' type mentality as well?

Nice to know.

Understanding what its like I've always thought its more of a pain type of anger, always about respect as though that person has crossed a line and every bad ass ancestor ever in chains comes through at that moment, its a totalitarian kind of thing everything to the wind in ten minutes of being pissed off. No english pub fight holds up to that its not the same type of thing, dosen't come close.

Was vex that night knowing how safe that pub owner is and having those two idiots walk in and kick off like came home feeling just like them (anger wise) that was the thing. 500 years and we're still suffering from the same 'ish!? How can something all those years ago mess us up for so long?? Made me wonder if we really were some bass assed Africans made more bass ass in those times.

Had a wicked discussion with Dr Anthony Harriet UWI on violence in Jamaican culture and his book on Badness Honour and bwoy what he was showing us about the violence in Jamaican culture and how deep rooted it is and more so than most Caribbean island. My man giving us examples of man just get vex and start chopping people anybody they see and this is not today going back centuries. So as Fanon said the acute violence experienced by Africans in Jamaica which was taken on by the political class and violence in forms of social and economic policies and how it impacts on people has had a significant impact on the people's culture.

Professor Caroline Cooper says a similar thing, but not so hardcore as my man and explains this is why Jamaicans are the most verbally aggressive people in the Caribbean and have the most cuss words. This is why the violence you get against gays in Jamaica although small and not common is unique and rare compared to other islands at worse man will diss you but not physically harm you.

All about specific contextual variables which explains important differences.

Well I would disagree from what I have seen, Ive seen plenty of white people who are "going to beat the shit out of you" to anyone in the vicinity when there pissed and often not pissed, maybe the odd pakistani, but I have only ever seen the "Im going to come back and murder you and your family" over the smallest thing mentality from particular black groups which seem to be Jamaican.
In fact I had a lovely first hand experience a couple of weeks ago with this dude who threatened to kill the indian staff working behind the counter at my local takeway. The reason, he wanted 8 pieces of chicken but only had enough money for two pieces of chicken. When the indian guy refused he started shouting something to the effect of you want me to jump over the counter and fu#king stick a knife in you.

Do you think of any other group of people like that?

Probably not.

So, yes, really.

Search the forum about people from anywhere else about similar topics and see what you find.

Are American people fatter than people elsewhere?, most would say that there's some truth to it.

Are the English prone to drunken violence? Well the hosiptals on Friday and Saturday nights seem to show that to be the case as well.


Why is the leading cause of death amongst teenage males suicide in the UK?

And so on.

I might add, are white males in their 40's and 50's with glasses more likely to be Paedophiles.

People are people, and people have problems, and with every nation, race, culture and sub-culture people will have their own unique set of problems.

The quicker they're admited, then the sooner they'll be dealt with.

I remember back in school, the Jamaicans were never people to get in cussing battles with....lol

You could never win.

Mr. Black Lion,

I find your analysis of Jamaicans intriguing and wonder if it has something to do with England’s unique brand of colonization and slave management. For example, Thailand and Cambodia are neighboring countries with very similar cultural values and practices. Nonetheless, the Cambodians have been treated to horrific acts of violence, first at the hands of the French, and then at the hands of the Khmer Rouge after de-colonization. Thailand, on the other hand, was never colonized and is a relatively nonviolent society. Did the Cambodians passion for, and tolerance of violence grow under French rule?

As we consider the propensity for violence in the cultures of Africans and Africans in the Diaspora can it be said that the practices of one particular European colonizer were more likely to precipitate themes of violence within the enslaved and/or colonized than others? Off the top of my head, African Americans, Jamaicans and Nigerians (i.e., within Nigeria) are all associated with disproportionate acts of violence, and all three are shaped by British dominance and cultural control. Is there a common thread?

Holla!

Stick Up I hear you and had the same experience but we dealt with those guys physically to their shock given their assumption that their violent talk and posturing actually frightened people or that it translate in courage or fighting abilities. The experience of violence which makes people act in that way is not the same as other peoples who have a greater cultural tradition of dishing out violence against whites.

Study the history of Dominica one of the most peaceful and civilised people in the Caribbean, but look at the violence they put on whites driving them off the island or St Lucia where the white man had to abandon the island and come again with massive naval back up or Antigua again invisible people in the boasting or big chest league of Caribbean people, but check their history and the fact they devised one of the most ingenious and well orchestrated plans ever to massacre every white on the island on a given signal.

You can see the same dynamics between Ghana and Nigeria the later more aggressive, but the former far more effective if one examines the fighting histories or cultures. The white man put far more violence on 'Nigerians' despite the larger size of the territory of what we now call Nigeria compared to Ghana and Ghanians. Look at Southern Africans who I just loved being around because they are so kind, gentle and civilised and humorous people, but check their warrior traditions and the large number of great fighters they produced. I mean I hate to cite Shaka because it is so obvious, but one of the reasons I have always like Mandela because he exudes that peaceful and warm fun loving quality which is backed by serious and deadly potential if you get up in their face.

But from my experience both here and nuff visits to Jamaica suggests that Jamaican people will be found among the normal distribution of human behaviour with some of the most non aggressive and 'civilised people you will meet to normal ranges of aggression, to some of the most extreme knuckle heads or those who possess the most confrontational attitudes. Because of their size these knuckle heads stand out and have an impact on the general culture or aspects of it or how Jamaicans are seen by their neighbours and outsiders.

Meh.

Was just posting along the lines of what Neferkare is saying. Think its definately a British thing, even the Irish have the same warrior type mentality.

@ Peacemaker; I'm not being sterotypical, I AM Jamaican and am speaking from experience and honesty, partly pissed off, was angry at those two for flipping out on someone I know and respect only noticing/remembering that other than understanding self control and respect I'm no diffrent from them. To go home that night and talk about it with family was like denial.

@ F.B 2; Can't cast we off like that man. .lol. We kicked some ass on the island, had more ground to defend as well, gotta give us some props. Even kicked ass when we landed here in the UK everyone was Jamaican then.

Can you timeline the Carribean resistance? Would make a good thread, what was happening on each island as well as America, how we fought back and so on. Like to say that we won the Carribean as well as a lot of land in the Americas.... What do you think?

Anyway, its definately an ex British colonial thing, alongside having to live in babylon, looking at the buildings WE built and all that.